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Dave of the North
02-21-2011, 06:43 PM
Right? I don't like the music OR the program. EoE proved to me that Rachael can do so much more-why in the world did she pick this music? Plus, I'm highly superstitious and I KNOW that they call this piece "the kiss of death" because no one has ever won a gold medal with it...so why? Just WHY?

She could use a medley/mashup of the last 10 gold medal winners' music and she wouldn't win anyway.

barbk
02-21-2011, 06:46 PM
I wish the USFSA would use other criteria besides Nats to select the team. Perhaps a combo of Nats and 4CCs:

A decade ago, when Russia was top-heavy w/ Slutskaya, Butyrskaya, Soldatova, Volchkova, Sokolova, they used a combination of Russian Nats and Euros to determine the team. In either 2000 or 2001, Volchkova beat Soldatova for the Bronze at Russian Nats, and Soldatova beat Volchkova at the GPF and was a world bronze medalist from '99, so the Russian Fed. asked Vika to prove herself again at Euros to make sure, because it was very close between Soldatova and her.

Japan used a combo of GPF and Nats in '06.

Back long ago when I'd watch US Gymnastics, they used a lot more criteria than just the Olympic Trials.

There is an element of chance in each competition -- US Nationals vs. 4CC -- run them both three times and I'd guess that Mirai could have finished anywhere from 1st -5th. Rachael from 1st-3rd, and Alissa from 1st-7th. I'd put money that Rachael is actually the USA's skater with the lowest standard deviation in scores among the skaters who finished in the top 10 at Nationals. She's had one bad competition in how many years?

If the US had used both US Nationals and 4CC, what the heck kind of conclusion could they draw?
- At US Nationals, Czissny>Flatt>Nagasu
- At 4 Continents, Nagasu>Flatt>Czisny

Let me know how you analyze that one to come up with some miraculous conclusive answer as to the "right" team to send to Worlds.

And Japan's choice in 2006 to send Miki to the Olympics was one of the worst decisions ever, so I wouldn't be touting that one. She was awful, and had been awful leading up to it.

And as far as the Russians went, it didn't matter much who else they sent besides Maria and Irina as the rest were all headcases of the first order.

os168
02-21-2011, 06:46 PM
I nominate Mirai Nagasu as Universal Sports' guest commentator for Worlds. That would be fun. :)

Yeahh I love that idea, that would be so cool! She literally doesn't seem to have filter between what she think and what she says. It would be funny to see her try to act like she didn't mind NOT being there, and find out what is really going on with her and Frank.

Besides, she can share all the behind the scene gossips with us. I knew she spend time in Japan and hanged out with Mao and may be Miki for a bit, also went to some theme park with Yuna in California recently.

Besides, I really want to listen to her comment on Rachel's skating lol...

That girl deserve her own reality show seriously!

This is she comment on her skating

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB9D9GeOpDk

Her Olympic Experience

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVRCGNTOjdk

pat c
02-21-2011, 06:47 PM
When we dubbed Slaughter the kiss of death, it was based on numbers. :) No one had won with it, not that it's terrible music per se. It's no worse than some other musicals that have been used. Hough and Ladret did a charming program to Slaughter. But they never won with it.

query5
02-21-2011, 06:55 PM
happy mirai skated well at 4cc but she came in under the wire , no pressure, all she had to do was prove should could skate better at nationals.

all this shows me is what Mirai is capable of Every Time She skates, not once in a while, but every time. Mirai should get those scores or close to them the majority of time, not once in awhile or while no pressure, no matter where she sits 1'st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th after the short -she should skate like that all the time. that she wants it.
yes she should be proud and happy, should they switch her for someone else-no-otherwise should have did it in earlier years.

leafygreens
02-21-2011, 07:57 PM
She could use a medley/mashup of the last 10 gold medal winners' music and she wouldn't win anyway.

LMAO

peibeck
02-21-2011, 08:15 PM
Why isnt' this thread in the Trash Can where it belongs? :saint:

worldsnice12
02-21-2011, 08:20 PM
I still do not understand why so many people think that Mirai is one big inconsistent figure skater..I think she has been doing pretty good despite her injuries and constantly dealing with UR calls. During the GP events, she could easily have gone the "Euro" way with a less ambitious" 3-4triples LP but no, she is one of the few skaters constantly going for a 6 triples program and rarely pop any jumps. I agree this years programs were not as good as many had expected but is it not partially up to the choreographer to work with a skaters strenghts and musicality?
Mirai seems like a rather sensitive young girl dealing with confidence issues. I mean, not everyone can handle pressure and success like Michelle Kwan..It seems like some of her own words are not really coming from the heart, more like things she has read about herself etc..I hope Frank will be patient and I am sure another year will do good.
I will certainly not forget her face after finishing her LP in Taipei, that was worth gold for me :swoon:

Seerek
02-21-2011, 08:24 PM
Interestingly, Slaughter on 10th Avenue was heavily used in the 1980s and 1990s

Christine Hough and Doug Ladret - 1988 World Championships Long Program (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GhmRgEeBaA)

Evelyn Grossmann - 1990 World Championships Long Program (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mR4q8Vr6hdo)

Tonia Kwiatkowski - 1993 US Nationals Long Program (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulZsIlNs0tM)
Rachael going old school...

Kiss My 1040
02-21-2011, 08:26 PM
As for Alissa Czisny, I hope she's aware that Bowling Green State offers some fine graduate programs."


I wouldn't go back there....

Signed,
About to Graduate (Thank god!)

Triple Butz
02-21-2011, 09:02 PM
Tonia Kwiatkowski - 1993 US Nationals Long Program (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulZsIlNs0tM)
Rachael going old school...

I think the real curse of Slaughter on 10th Avenue is that it prompts undeserved world berths from the USFSA.:rofl:

zippy
02-21-2011, 09:12 PM
whole post

ITA! I'm always amazed at how people forget how well Mirai handled the pressure of the Olympic season - after all, she skated brilliantly at US Nats in both the SP and LP (after finishing first in the SP) to make the Olympic team and was wonderful at the Olympics, skating last, even though she looked terribly nervous at the start. This year she's dealt with injuries and higher expectations (and isn't her mother battling illness of some kind?). It's not an easy thing that Mirai is doing; even the supremely confident Michelle Kwan had a difficult year with confidence issues around Mirai's age. That old saying about how you're only as good as your last competition definitely plays into people's perceptions. Overall I think she's doing just fine.

victoriaheidi
02-21-2011, 09:20 PM
When we dubbed Slaughter the kiss of death, it was based on numbers. :) No one had won with it, not that it's terrible music per se. It's no worse than some other musicals that have been used. Hough and Ladret did a charming program to Slaughter. But they never won with it.

That's what I'm saying-but it doesn't help that it's bad music.

[Just for the record, though, it's a ballet, not a musical!]

Lanna
02-21-2011, 09:59 PM
I'd put money that Rachael is actually the USA's skater with the lowest standard deviation in scores among the skaters who finished in the top 10 at Nationals.

Oooooh, tempting. Don't have time to pull 10 skaters or more than a year, but here's Czisny, Flatt, and Nagasu for this season. (Caveat: Nagasu has one fewer competition than Czisny and Flatt, because Nagasu wasn't at GPF.)

Flatt - Nagasu - Czisny
GP1 : 161.04 - 146.23 - 172.37
GP2 : 162.86 - 167.79 - 159.8
GPF : 127.57 - - 180.75
Nats : 183.38 - 177.26 - 191.24
4CC : 180.31 - 189.46 - 168.81
Stdev : 22.21554343 - 18.26799843 - 11.96086243

If you toss out the GPF, Flatt's at 11.57842354.

Couldn't help doing it. ;) Someone let me know if I screwed up.


EDIT:

Okay, the weather outside is crap :lol:, so thanks to tracings.net, here's 3 seasons. Earlier than that is juniors territory. All usual caveats apply: I am neither a statistician nor do I play one on tv.

Flatt - Nagasu - Czisny
10-11 GP1 : 161.04 - 146.23 - 172.37
10-11 GP2 : 162.86 - 167.79 - 159.8
10-11 GPF : 127.57 - - 180.75
10-11 Nats : 183.38 - 177.26 - 191.24
10-11 4CC : 180.31 - 189.46 - 168.81
09-10 SeniorB - - 151.4
09-10 GP1 : 157.71 - 155.38 - 158.3
09-10 GP2 : 174.91 - 156.83 - 163.53
09-10 Nats : 200.11 - 188.78 - 140.37
09-10 Olympics : 182.49 - 190.15 -
09-10 Worlds : 167.44 - 175.48 -
08-09 SeniorB : - - 168.28
08-09 GP1 : 155.73 - 142.9 - 157.92
08-09 GP2 : 166.06 - 124.22 - 151.03
08-09 Nats : 173.78 - 159.99 - 178.06
08-09 4CC : 162.83 - - 159.81
08-09 Worlds : 172.41 - - 159.78

Stdev : 16.30385882 - 20.77979983 - 12.92747499

Average: : 168.5753333 - 164.5391667 - 164.0966667

Median: : 167.44 - 163.89 - 159.81

Jammers
02-21-2011, 10:02 PM
ITA! I'm always amazed at how people forget how well Mirai handled the pressure of the Olympic season - after all, she skated brilliantly at US Nats in both the SP and LP (after finishing first in the SP) to make the Olympic team and was wonderful at the Olympics, skating last, even though she looked terribly nervous at the start. This year she's dealt with injuries and higher expectations (and isn't her mother battling illness of some kind?). It's not an easy thing that Mirai is doing; even the supremely confident Michelle Kwan had a difficult year with confidence issues around Mirai's age. That old saying about how you're only as good as your last competition definitely plays into people's perceptions. Overall I think she's doing just fine.

True Mirai looked scared to death in the LP at the Olympics but she wasn't in the lead and knew
realistically she had no shot at a medal. I want to see her when she's in the lead go out and attack like she did at Nationals in 2010. Everything was on the line at Nationals and she skated great so she can do it. She just needs confidence and Frank can't really do anything to help that. It's all up to Mirai to become a better competitor.