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pingu
05-05-2011, 10:39 PM
Does someone know which is the third music in their FD? (the one between temptation and mujer latina)

flowerpower
05-05-2011, 10:45 PM
I think for ice dance to take a year off - not really good thing.

That's true, but if you really love the sport, and want to push boundaries, push yourself in new directions, try new things (not necessarily just worry about medals) then it might be best to rest now.

After what they've been through, I get the feeling they are thrilled to still be skating, and I think they very much want to continue in some form - either competitive or shows. But I also get the impression that they are tired right now, and need a rest. It's important to avoid burnout or re-injury.

We'll see how they feel after they've had their vacation. They'll have to decide before the Grand Prix assignments in June.

lavenderblue
05-05-2011, 10:55 PM
Does someone know which is the third music in their FD? (the one between temptation and mujer latina)

The opening song is "Hiphip Chinchin," the second "Temptation," and the last "Mujer Latina."

Lissa
05-06-2011, 01:58 AM
LMAO at this post. Judy Blumberg knows more about ice dance, and judging under the new system, than most people in the world. As a trained ISU technical specialist, she is one of the most insightful figure skating commentators out there right now. She can truly talk about what the judges are seeing and why they will give the final marks we see on the score sheet.

Speed and choppiness are very hard to tell over the tv/computer screen. You really need to be there in person to judge these aspects of skating.



She's biased end of story & her comments about V&M prove that, no amount of claiming she is this amazing specialist will help the cause, I know alot about skating have watched it for years & can see a biased American pulling down the better skaters for her own countrymen's gain. :rolleyes:

Yeah Judy Blumberg is someone everyone should listen too, ok:lol: she could not come close to the perfection V&M can create so she needs to keep her biased laughable comments to herself, no one agrees with you Judy go ready all the other countries reactions, they should have won...

sliver98
05-06-2011, 02:44 AM
I agree Lisa the americans and D&W fans will never admit that they are the only people who thought they deserved to win, all the europeans and ice dance specialists all thought Virtue and Moir should have won. I could tell from the get go this competition was political and fixed for the americans from the composition of the judging panel the favorable draw, their laughable score in the SD, Shpilband favoritism from D&W its obvious Scott Knew this that is why his media narrative changed.

OlieRow
05-06-2011, 02:49 AM
She's biased end of story & her comments about V&M prove that, no amount of claiming she is this amazing specialist will help the cause, I know alot about skating have watched it for years & can see a biased American pulling down the better skaters for her own countrymen's gain. :rolleyes:

Yeah Judy Blumberg is someone everyone should listen too, ok:lol: she could not come close to the perfection V&M can create so she needs to keep her biased laughable comments to herself, no one agrees with you Judy go ready all the other countries reactions, they should have won...

Her commentary might have been slightly biased but it was a bit of the truth. Even Tessa and Scott admitted they weren't at 100% in terms of program readiness/polish.

When I watched the SD on Universal, I couldn't believe she was complaining so much about V/M's lack of flow when they were the most fluid team that had skated thus far. Then I realized that they've set a very high standard for themselves and she was judging them against that, not the teams before them. I'm a fan, not an expert, and I appreciate her commentary on the technical nuances.

flowerpower
05-06-2011, 03:09 AM
When I watched the SD on Universal, I couldn't believe she was complaining so much about V/M's lack of flow when they were the most fluid team that had skated thus far. Then I realized that they've set a very high standard for themselves and she was judging them against that, not the teams before them. I'm a fan, not an expert, and I appreciate her commentary on the technical nuances.

If you look at some other very knowledgeable sources (not Canadian, BTW), you'll find some interesting comments on the SD. These people were not complaining about any lack of flow on V/M's part, and thought V/M very clearly won the SD. I'll leave it at that.

flowerpower
05-06-2011, 03:26 AM
She's biased end of story......


I agree Lisa the americans... ..

We got your message long ago and it's not helping discussion on this thread. Nor does it help V/M in any way, shape or form.

bbkenn
05-06-2011, 03:49 AM
I could tell from the get go this competition was political and fixed for the americans from the composition of the judging panel the favorable draw, their laughable score in the SD, Shpilband favoritism from D&W its obvious Scott Knew this that is why his media narrative changed.

HOw did Scott's narrative change? I missed all this.

Proustable
05-06-2011, 03:57 AM
In my mind...

Before/immediately after 4CC, Scott was talking about how ready he and Tessa would be to defend their crown at Worlds. He always speaks about their ability with conviction and isn't one to hedge his bets. But when worlds came, even though everyone recognized that the extra few weeks were helpful and made it more likely that they could win the title, the story Scott and Tessa were selling was about "skating for themselves" and how much they loved competition, not simply to win, but for the process itself.

Now, I'm not arguing this is based on politicking AT ALL, I want that clear. The fact is their FD had a couple moments that looked like it was choreographically less than originally intended, and they might've been having troubles actually skating it flat-out in practice (imo, the only thing that could win was a blinder). Knowing you're not at your best and that your main rivals ARE could easily change the tune. Check out Scott in the KnC after their scores are shown: he looks really wiped.

In fact, I'd compare the way the approached this FD similarly to the way they approached their 2009 Worlds FD. In the beginning, Scott was talking about how they felt strong enough to win. But when the FD came around, the story shifted. They knew just how strong D/W were skating in practices (given that you know... they train together) and V/M's lead was small. That it went their way that time... well, it was so close that you certainly wouldn't predict it.

OlieRow
05-06-2011, 04:32 AM
If you look at some other very knowledgeable sources (not Canadian, BTW), you'll find some interesting comments on the SD. These people were not complaining about any lack of flow on V/M's part, and thought V/M very clearly won the SD. I'll leave it at that.

No, I know. In fact I expected the margin to be bigger in the SD based on D/W's error in the twizzles. I was just saying that on 2nd viewing I don't think her critique was as harsh as I initially thought it was. And she isn't some kind of crazy USFSA puppet as a few posters want evertyone to think. They were pretty darn smooth, but not quite at their usual level. Although I have a tough time judging via TV/computer.

flowerpower
05-06-2011, 04:46 AM
In my mind...

Before/immediately after 4CC, Scott was talking about how ready he and Tessa would be to defend their crown at Worlds. He always speaks about their ability with conviction and isn't one to hedge his bets. But when worlds came, even though everyone recognized that the extra few weeks were helpful and made it more likely that they could win the title, the story Scott and Tessa were selling was about "skating for themselves" and how much they loved competition, not simply to win, but for the process itself.

Now, I'm not arguing this is based on politicking AT ALL, I want that clear. The fact is their FD had a couple moments that looked like it was choreographically less than originally intended, and they might've been having troubles actually skating it flat-out in practice (imo, the only thing that could win was a blinder). Knowing you're not at your best and that your main rivals ARE could easily change the tune. Check out Scott in the KnC after their scores are shown: he looks really wiped.

In fact, I'd compare the way the approached this FD similarly to the way they approached their 2009 Worlds FD. In the beginning, Scott was talking about how they felt strong enough to win. But when the FD came around, the story shifted. They knew just how strong D/W were skating in practices (given that you know... they train together) and V/M's lead was small. That it went their way that time... well, it was so close that you certainly wouldn't predict it.

Hmm, I didn't see Scott's story shift in any way.

In an immediate pre-Worlds interview, Scott spoke with his usual confidence, while Tessa said that Meryl and Charlie were perceived by others to have an advantage this year. Scott said something to Tessa along the lines of, "You think we're underdogs? I like it when people underestimate us." Tessa mentioned the competition being "personal", a victory even to be there, and Scott agreed that he liked the word personal, yes it was personal for them, but he did not concede the win to Meryl and Charlie whatsoever. That was my reading of "the narrative".

pani
05-06-2011, 08:30 AM
Her commentary might have been slightly biased but it was a bit of the truth. Even Tessa and Scott admitted they weren't at 100% in terms of program readiness/polish.

When I watched the SD on Universal, I couldn't believe she was complaining so much about V/M's lack of flow when they were the most fluid team that had skated thus far. Then I realized that they've set a very high standard for themselves and she was judging them against that, not the teams before them. I'm a fan, not an expert, and I appreciate her commentary on the technical nuances.

Did Judy watch WCh in Megasport or made her comments on TV?
Sorry, but in Megasport a lot off people think in SD D-W even couldnt had better score then W-P and Shibs, because at that day Meryl-Charlie had miskatakes (if you talk about V-M mistakes in FD - D-W had mistakes on elements in SD) and didnt had usuall flow.
I am talking only about unnessesary comments from her. How could he work at competitions with such unprofeccional view?
And i cant understand - why you prefee belive to Judy and not belive maby 10-15 europian commentators who was impressed with V-M? But this is OK - we all choose to belive in what we want.

pani
05-06-2011, 08:37 AM
But I also get the impression that they are tired right now, and need a rest. It's important to avoid burnout or re-injury.

I cant understand why they need skate only at WCh this season and then will have miss the next season?
I always had this question - why they didnt miss this season? After they understand they couldnt be at Nationals - why they didnt miss thgis season?
Maybe they have a lot off pressure from Skate Canada? Dont know...
I hope they will made, what will be better for them.
But i think now they understand how important for take gold to show programs to judges all season.

clarie
05-06-2011, 01:03 PM
Who says they are missing next season? Tessa? Scott? That's not my impression at all. I would think the opposite would be true. I think we all have to wait until T/S make some sort of announcement. Here she is healthy again, so it doesn't make sense.