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pani
05-04-2011, 06:08 AM
LMAO at this post. Judy Blumberg knows more about ice dance, and judging under the new system, than most people in the world. As a trained ISU technical specialist, she is one of the most insightful figure skating commentators out there right now. She can truly talk about what the judges are seeing and why they will give the final marks we see on the score sheet.

Speed and choppiness are very hard to tell over the tv/computer screen. You really need to be there in person to judge these aspects of skating.

And this is sad, when technikal specialist talk this about V-M in SD, because how she couldnt see, that D-W didnt had in SD (life) there usuall speed and power, wich they show last season? And they had mistakes. So technikal specialist didnt notice some mistake in twizzles and in dance positions in pattern dance?
Sorry, but V-M wasnt slow. In SD they was clean, soft and had a greate timing.
At arena people talking the best SD was shown by Weaver-Poje, Tessa-Scott and I-K ;) So maybe W-P were even the best in SD.
And yes - D-W in FD had different look and show all, what they can. But SD.....
Its funny, but look russian TV adore T-S and prefer them over M-C. They show T-S interwie during M-C interwie at arena. Then didnt show D-W second dance at the Gala. I dont think this is good for russians, but Judy Blumberg comments look too strong, because she didnt tell truth.
But maybe if she knew results before competition start - she had better comments during competitions :D
How do you think - why only Blumberg saw how BAD Tessa and Scot skating was?

alilou
05-04-2011, 07:55 AM
No silver linings for Virtue and Moir
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/04/30/no-silver-linings-for-virtue-and-moir&overridetemplate=SUN_BLOCK_QuickRead

It’s a no-brainer this result will foster a hunger to work even harder, to push the limits of possibility to the brink and funnel their most creative and athletic vision into their future programs.

But it’s also clear, through Virtue’s latest injuries and the valuable competition and practice time robbed from them, they haven’t been able to sufficiently separate themselves from Davis and White yet.

mia joy
05-04-2011, 10:45 AM
I think it would be absolutely fascinating if either V/M or D/W left S/Z's camp to go work with other coaches. I wonder how it would influence the results of these teams.

Platov is a great coach and a wonderful man and if Tessa and Scott (or anyone) decide to go work with him, it's gonna be a great decision. As for Shpilband prefering D/W - well, even if he does, that's not a crime. In fact I cannot imagine coaches not having their favourites among all the students they have. They are humans, they have their preferences, but that doesn't mean he "bought" Meryl and Charlie's gold, as many suggest here. I seriously think some of V/M's ubers need to learn how to lose, because such whining is unbelievably childish considering the champions objectively deserved their gold.

Proustable
05-04-2011, 01:06 PM
I think it would be absolutely fascinating if either V/M or D/W left S/Z's camp to go work with other coaches. I wonder how it would influence the results of these teams.

Platov is a great coach and a wonderful man and if Tessa and Scott (or anyone) decide to go work with him, it's gonna be a great decision. As for Shpilband prefering D/W - well, even if he does, that's not a crime. In fact I cannot imagine coaches not having their favourites among all the students they have. They are humans, they have their preferences, but that doesn't mean he "bought" Meryl and Charlie's gold, as many suggest here. I seriously think some of V/M's ubers need to learn how to lose, because such whining is unbelievably childish considering the champions objectively deserved their gold.

I really do wonder if we examined all your posts (such as the one suggesting that the judges would score V/M in the FD at 4CC 2011 such that they would win regardless, and that they had done so several times at previous competitions) we VM-ubers would learn how to avoid being unbelievably childish and how to lose.

Of course, I agree - D/W objectively deserved to win - they were more polished, with technically more difficult elements AND choreography/linking footwork and demonstrated stronger skating skills. Not everyone does, though (unless you think John Kerr is wining when he said he thought it went to V/M). And I also agree -coaches likely do have favourites, and I see nothing wrong with that.

mia joy
05-04-2011, 02:36 PM
^ so you basically agree with everything I said and still you argue with me? :P

as for my other comments, I believe everything I say, that is that everytime Tessa and Scott lost FD to Meryl and Charlie (that would be the 2009 and 2010 Worlds), they were still kept in the first place by the judges and yes, I was afraid that could happen again. And I believe Meryl and Charlie really deserved to beat them at both competitions, many would agree with me. But I never accused Tessa and Scott of having their golds politically "bought", I was just suggesting the judges prefer them, which is also true.

More than that, I adore Meryl and Charlie to pieces, but when they do something I don't like, I say it. Whilst most of V/M fans automatically praise everything they do and feel deeply hurt if anyone dares to say a negative word about them.

About John, yes, he thought Tessa and Scott had it, but after Meryl and Charlie won, he never questioned their victory. Actually he admitted both teams were so close to each other any one could win. Btw, he also commented on D/W's SD as a "top notch" while most people agree they weren't at their best there. Obviously what John was posting were his own opinions and he never intended to be fully objective with them.
Having said all this, I just loved his "coverage" of the Worlds ;)

pani
05-04-2011, 02:55 PM
Tessa and Scott at Gala finale
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeIHNvrJO2o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwrc2sJlfbk

Interview with then for Sport-express
http://winter.sport-express.ru/figureskating/reviews/13591/

You could google it.
Interesying moments.
1. Scotts brother will marries and Scott need to be ready for this :)
2. They talk they have ideas for next year, but then - we didnt know about future plans.
3. We will be in London WCh 2013 - if not like competitors, at least like spectators

Proustable
05-04-2011, 04:32 PM
^ so you basically agree with everything I said and still you argue with me? :P

as for my other comments, I believe everything I say, that is that everytime Tessa and Scott lost FD to Meryl and Charlie (that would be the 2009 and 2010 Worlds), they were still kept in the first place by the judges and yes, I was afraid that could happen again. And I believe Meryl and Charlie really deserved to beat them at both competitions, many would agree with me. But I never accused Tessa and Scott of having their golds politically "bought", I was just suggesting the judges prefer them, which is also true.

More than that, I adore Meryl and Charlie to pieces, but when they do something I don't like, I say it. Whilst most of V/M fans automatically praise everything they do and feel deeply hurt if anyone dares to say a negative word about them.

About John, yes, he thought Tessa and Scott had it, but after Meryl and Charlie won, he never questioned their victory. Actually he admitted both teams were so close to each other any one could win. Btw, he also commented on D/W's SD as a "top notch" while most people agree they weren't at their best there. Obviously what John was posting were his own opinions and he never intended to be fully objective with them.
Having said all this, I just loved his "coverage" of the Worlds ;)

1. Right, but do you believe that VM-ubers somehow don't believe everything they say when they say VM was robbed? It seems like you're engaging in a double standard. In other words, if I feel V/M was genuinely robbed, is saying so somehow childish?

2. Moreover, it's not like it happens all the time. I mean, how about GPF 2009 when despite a visible error, D/W stayed ahead of V/M overall (having lost the FD). 2009 was ridiculously close (0.04 remains the closest medal loss in COP history).

3. Please don't use the "many would agree" argument - we can go on and on in that vein (for the record, I believe D/W deserved to win 2009, with V/M in bronze. DomShabs were overmarked up the wazoo. I think V/M deserved to win 2010, with the difference in their CDs and ODs where V/M gets that title). It generally doesn't strengthen your POV.

4. I'm not gonna bother finding the exact quote (something like "don't worry, the judges will know exactly what to score them so they win"), but regardless, it doesn't demonstrate what you're asking of us.

5. My argument isn't that V/M were robbed - without having SEEN D/W's dance, after seeing V/M's I felt comfortable that a win for D/W was likely and probably deserving. I just find your assertions bizarre enough to question.

cailuj365
05-04-2011, 05:00 PM
I read this on the Volosozhar/Trankov blog thread in GSD and thought I'd bring it over since it mentioned V/M:


Tanya: Kudos to our ice dancers as well. Nevertheless, I was most impressed by Virtue/Moir. Their skating is above praising. They are so talented! I think their biggest secret is what is going on between them on the ice. I can't take my eyes off them and keep thinking what will happen next. It's magic.
Maksim and I are trying to create the same effect. We are trying to skate first of all for each other. We look each other in the eyes before the skate, try to understand the partner's mood. During the skate we have a lot of moments when we catch each other's eyes and it inspires us. One can't really describe it, it's a feeling. I think we finally found each other as partners. I feel very comfortable with Maksim.

I think V/T and V/M have comparable chemistry, and the whole "skating for each other" thing has obviously worked marvelously for V/M so it's no wonder that other pairs would try to emulate that.

pani
05-04-2011, 05:03 PM
http://www.gzt.ru/topnews/sport/-vse-moi-figuristy-sobirayutsya-vystupitj-v-sochi-/359631.html

Interiew with Igor Shpilband on russian.
He talk about Tessa and Scott a lot. Even with other pannel of judges Latin FD could won.
And i like how he talk about russian teams and Natalie-Fabien. Reall master-class for Zhulin and Natalie ;)

clarie
05-04-2011, 07:47 PM
Blumberg is definitely showing bias towards D&W. Especially funny in the SD where D&W didn't even skate their best. But it's no surprise as she is an American commentating on a US network. It's the same with Tracy Wilson on Canadian TV. :)

Blumberg's about the only current or former skater who seems to think very little of V&M's skating.

Anyway, it must make V&M feel great to have such respect from former skaters and their peers.

Hmmm, Rafter, I think I agree with you on that one after going through this thread.

I was going to say more but thought better of it.......sometimes it's best not to respond to some posters who we normally don't see here because I know they are not V&M fans. :)

hitchem
05-04-2011, 08:23 PM
Hmmm, Rafter, I think I agree with you on that one after going through this thread.

I was going to say more but thought better of it.......sometimes it's best not to respond to some posters who we normally don't see here because I know they are not V&M fans. :)

I think part of it comes down to a preference for commentating style. I personally prefer when commentators are critical, though not overly negative. And Judy Blumberg was quite positive in the FD, apart from her comment that the middle section didn't show off their smooth edges as much as it could have. When Tracy Wilson pointed out that D&W have weakness in their free leg, she was absolutely right, and the casual observer might not know that. (In fact, I think she could definitely be more critical.) It's very difficult to have comprehensive technical knowledge of ice skating, and particularly ice dance, and I think the experts should explain details and nuances that are otherwise easy to overlook.

Of course, V&M are incredible skaters, but I suspect that they're more critical of themselves than anyone else. That's how you get to the top -- you don't just sit back and think, "wow, that was as good as it gets for me." I'm sure they feel they have room for improvement, despite their skill and accomplishments.

sap5
05-04-2011, 09:59 PM
I read this on the Volosozhar/Trankov blog thread in GSD and thought I'd bring it over since it mentioned V/M:



I think V/T and V/M have comparable chemistry, and the whole "skating for each other" thing has obviously worked marvelously for V/M so it's no wonder that other pairs would try to emulate that.

I really enjoyed reading these comments from V/T, as well as other comments from people in the figure skating world. You know you're great when peers truly love to see you, even if your product isn't as polished as you'd like it to be.

The comments reminded me of Gordeeva and Grinkov. Brian Orser and Kristi Yamaguchi both said (at different times) that when they skated with G&G in SOI, they'd love to watch G&G perform -- night after night, and they'd never get tired of it. Comments like that are priceless.

Judy
05-04-2011, 10:52 PM
I was speaking to one of our teachers who had lived in Vancouver last year and she was mentioning that one of her friends taught Tessa when she was in Windsor. The teacher had purchased tickets to the FD to watch them win in Vancouver. I wish I could ask her questions! I thought that was pretty neat.

Proustable
05-05-2011, 03:03 AM
What should they skate to next season for their FD?

Black Swan will be all the rage, and I'd love to seem them try. Or perhaps something from The Wild Party (Michael John Lachiusa musical...?

Any other ideas?

tapper88
05-05-2011, 03:32 AM
Question- I'm going to the Meet and Greet on Thursday in Vancouver, and just found out that not all the cast members attend. Do you think Tessa and Scott will? I really hope so as I just found out I could go!