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02-15-2011, 04:36 AM
We are allowed 4 sick occurences per year. You can call in for up to 4 days per each occurence but if calling in for the 5th day, you must produce a doctors note.

However, AFTER those 4 occurences are used up, each subsequent sick occurence, you do not get paid for the initial day, but will for subsequent days.

From an HR standpoint, I just don't get it. I had to use one sick occurence already this year when I had that stomach flu. Because my immune system went to the crapper...literally... I got a cold right after the flu. Luckily, the 2st couple days I was already off, but I still have a chronic cough from that cold.

Our sick occurences do not get carried over. You don't use them, then too bad. But then, who really wants to be sick?

Every 6 weeks is a drop week for me (a week off), I get 4 weeks vacation and 4 lieu days on top of that.

02-15-2011, 04:41 AM
I get 5 sick days and 10 days PTO, I can use any day for any reason they are not picky but if I don't use it by the end of the year I lose it and if I use more I don't get paid.

We do get paid for unused PTO but only at 1/2 pay.

I'm happy my company is pretty flexible though.

02-15-2011, 05:08 AM
I've been guilty of going in to work sick (not deathly, but enough to not feel well). And the reason is because my last boss made me feel really guilty about calling in, and I'm a push over. But then she turns around and tells everyone that if they're sick, don't come to work. Make up your mind!

As for sick time, at my last job, it started out as about 5 sick days a year & 14 days vacation. But a few years ago, they basically combined them into one PTO account, which sucked because the accrual rate went way down, and we ended up with just 14 days PTO a year. So if you got sick, there goes a week of vacation time.

02-15-2011, 05:19 AM
We have PTO that covers regular sick days (up to 5 a year until you get a talking to) and vacation, combined; but we do have extended illness leave, for surgery, serious illness, etc, that accrues at a lower rate and you can't use it without corporate approval.

considering we're a hospital, you would think they would want sick employees to stay home; uh, nope. Unless you have a doctor's note stating you have Ebola, and are bleeding out of your eyelids, you'd better get yer ass there. I had to call out 2 days with the severe vertigo that had me basically crawling to the bathroom rather than walking; on the second day, a Saturday, I was forced by my manager to come in to our ER to be seen and have a doctor's excuse for the sick call (even though our HR policy doesn't require a doc note until sick day #3)

02-15-2011, 05:37 AM
I don't think people want to come to work sick - after all they feel like shite. There are just so many barriers to staying home.
That's the thing that gets me - the first grad student had every excuse to NOT come into work. Not only was she seriously ill, she's a single mother to two young children and I'm sure she would have appreciated having a little time at home not worrying about having to go anywhere! And as I mentioned, my boss is really lenient about letting you stay home if you're sick. Absolutely no excuse at all. I have no idea what went through her head going to classes AND work that ill. She says she had to leave the room several times each class period so she wouldn't disrupt the class with her coughing, but everybody could hear it outside anyway. :shuffle: And a number of people who sat next to her in class haven't been there in the past few days. :shuffle:

I honestly think it never occurred to her that she could be that dangerous around other people. Even her mom told her to stay home so she wouldn't get other people sick, but she said she'd be careful and wash her hands often and only cough into her sleeve, etc. Apparently wasn't enough. :o

She's also the kind of person who kind of goes nuts if she goes outside her normal routine, so if she stayed at home sick for an entire week she'd probably feel extremely guilty about it. Despite all the obvious signs that she had to take care of herself.

Hopefully she's learned her lesson now that she's cut a giant swath of respiratory infectious carnage across her social circle. :P

02-15-2011, 07:15 AM
...But a few years ago, they basically combined them into one PTO account, which sucked because the accrual rate went way down, and we ended up with just 14 days PTO a year. So if you got sick, there goes a week of vacation time.
I hate combined PTO leave. Not only does it tend to be way less (because of the payout issues/liability to the company), but people don't want to use their vacation for sick time, so it means most people will do anything to avoid using it for sick time.

I'm fortunate to work somewhere with very generous leave benefits, but it wasn't always so. 20 years ago I managed a coffee shop while the owners went to LA to become movie stars. I was put on salary, and before they left they made me sign something saying that if I was sick and needed someone else to cover my shift, the wages would come out of my paycheck. I signed it, because I rarely get sick. Wouldn't you know it - I got the sickest I'd been in about 12 years. Bronchitis. And I worked every single shift of my food-service job, because I had no insurance, made $7.50 an hour and couldn't afford to have my paycheck docked. The owners did feel bad when they heard how sick I was and they paid the bill for my doctor visit, but they didn't take back the clause about docking my salary if someone else had to work for me (which I'm pretty sure is illegal, but I didn't know that then).

I can still remember willing myself not to cough when customers were in the shop, and then going and hacking up a lung the second they left. :shuffle: I washed my hands A LOT during that time

02-15-2011, 07:52 AM
How many people here actually get sick leave? If you do how many days do you get? And can you accumulate them each year?.

I get 5 days a year, they roll over every year and I think you top out at 30 days. I call in sick once or maybe twice a year, and I'm in my 7th year at my current workplace, so I probably have close to the max.

When I hit my 5-year anniversary, I got 3 weeks PTO. (plus last year I had 4 weeks of furloughs - talk about torture, 7 weeks off and no $ to do anything interesting) Everyone gets 3 personal days every year. All of this time is "granted" rather than earned (:rofl::rolleyes:), and we cannot roll over time nor are we paid out for unused time off when we quit.

A friend of mine works for a giant corporate behemoth, and they get 1/2 day Fridays between Memorial and Labor days. Meanwhile I just lucked into having my days off be Friday/Saturday, instead of Monday/Saturday (and before that, sometimes Monday/Thursday or Tuesday/Saturday or some heinous combination). Needless to say, I am insanely JEALOUS. :)

02-15-2011, 11:20 AM
We do not have a limit on the number of sick days per se, but on the 3rd occurrence and on up, on a rolling 12 month calendar, you have to bring a doctor's note. I believe we also have to bring a doctor's note if you are out more than 3 days in a row. This is obviously to keep people from gaming the system, and they figure, if you are sick that much perhaps you need extra medical attention. Also, you can be out up to 6 months continuously and still receive your full pay and benefits. I was out for a couple months when I broke my ankle, due to that and some complications. And then if you can come back for a day, a legitimate full day, that 6 month clock resets and you are eligible again.

Some people do come in when they're sick, but it's not too much of a problem. I've been very fortunate this winter and have not had a single cold. (knock on wood) And a friend of mine was pretty sick last Thursday and had kissed me goodbye 3 days before that and I still haven't gotten sick. :HA!:

02-15-2011, 12:33 PM
Tp answer Aussie Willy, the employer that I had previous job
PTO = the first year you were granted the 6 major holiday pay, no PTO or sick leave then after the first year your hours were calculated on a % of time you work and number of years you worked the calculation % when up. Up to a limited amount. You could carry over some hours, but never more than X hours. Very complicated rules, but as Kasey said call ins are limited and you get reprimanded and then suspended.
This was a hospital setting, where you would think they wouldn't want you to come in sick. :rolleyes:

02-15-2011, 12:34 PM
We get 15 personal time off days a year to be used for illness, funerals, mental health days, etc. What I notice with people is that they DO come in sick because they want to save their days off for impromptu sick days i.e., Mondays, Fridays. They wake up and think, crap, I'm calling in sick today because I partied too much last night, stayed up too late, the weather is going to be beautiful, etc.

Someone earlier up said they had to bring a doctor's note in. Well, our insurance makes us pay a $30 copay for an office visit, so that's a little much to ask low wage earners to cough up the money for a note.

02-15-2011, 12:46 PM
I'm a preschool teacher and do you know how many times I have been sick this year because parents send their kids in coughing and sneezing? I had one poor child vomit from coughing so much and because he didn't have a fever, we couldn't send him home. Love it (sarcastic here) when parents fill their kids with tylenol to lower a fever so they can get a few hours of work in until the fever returns and they have to pick their kid up. We always know because the kids tell us mommy gave them the red medicine for a fever.

02-15-2011, 01:10 PM
An acquaintance, please note that i don't want to claim anything closer, owns a company that allows five sick/vacation days per year for the first 5 years, no carryover. The pay is just above minimum wage. health insurance is not good. Need additional sick time, you're fired. no kidding. he is quite gleeful about it.

02-15-2011, 01:33 PM
12 sick days per year
15 vacation days per year
4 personal days per year

Sick leave can be carried over, but only up to 90 days.
Vacation leave can carry over up to 30 days. Any more than 30 days will be lost on December 31st
Personal days do not carry over.

Same here except I only have 3 personal days (eventually I'll have 4) and our calendar ends June 30th.

Unfortunately, I'm a new employee and must earn my vacation/sick time and cannot use any leave for the first 6 months. I was just out 2 days with a horrible stomach flu and had to take it as unpaid leave. I have the sick time already, but can't use it. Talk about frustrating. I'd have taken a 3rd day off, but couldn't afford to. Luckily I was sick Th/F and had the weekend to recover, but I was still so weak on Monday. But, not contagious.

This is the first job I've had that actually gives me vacation/sick days/benefits. It's really hard to take time off when you don't have pto. If I can work, I need the money (that said, most of my sick days are usually migraines where physically I can't do anything but lay around in a dark room)...

02-15-2011, 01:46 PM
We get 80 hours to cover our own sick time, medical appts, staying home with a sick child, school events, etc. In addition, staff get 80-160 hours vacation time based on length of service. The unused time cannot be carried over.

02-15-2011, 02:28 PM
So I will ask a question.

How many people here actually get sick leave? If you do how many days do you get? And can you accumulate them each year?

Sorry that was three questions.

Where I am you get 15 days each year (I think 5 are without a certificate) and then what you don't take gets carried over to the next year.

I am in the US, and I am salaried, not hourly. In all the places I've ever worked, that means 0 sick days. Here I have 0 sick days, maybe 17 vacation days (I've been here 10 years, so have more vacation time than many people here), and 3 personal holidays. Nothing carries over.