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Badams
01-25-2011, 06:39 PM
They showed video of the murder in the courtroom today, according to twitter. He laid in wait for her before he attacked her.

http://twitter.com/#!/buffalopundit

This man is sitting in the courtroom.

barbk
01-25-2011, 06:41 PM
According to the article, she stopped wearing her hijab. Qur'an 8:12 instructs Muslims to decapitate infidels.

Most Muslim women in the world don't wear hijbabs, right? How in the world does that make them infidels? (For that matter, I'm unclear about what does make someone an "infidel" -- it isn't just being an unbeliever, right?)

modern_muslimah
01-25-2011, 06:49 PM
According to the article, she stopped wearing her hijab. Qur'an 8:12 instructs Muslims to decapitate infidels.

What does this have to do with the price of tea in China? :huh:

Not wearing hijab does not make a Muslim woman a non-Muslim (as plenty of non-hijabed Muslim women will tell you). You can go to most Muslim countries (Iran and Saudi Arabia being exceptions since hijab is actually mandated by the law and enforced) and see Muslim women not wearing hijab. Hassan killed his wife because he is deeply disturbed and misogynistic, not out of some duty to kill "infidels". Now I'm going to stop before this thread does get political.

modern_muslimah
01-25-2011, 06:58 PM
(For that matter, I'm unclear about what does make someone an "infidel" -- it isn't just being an unbeliever, right?)

It depends. Being non-Muslim does not automatically make someone a kafir (infidel is really terrible translation of kafir, btw). Muslims don't use the word infidel and it never appears in the Qur'an, even in translations.

For takfir (labeling a Muslim a kafir) to occur, a Muslim would have to do something that goes against the core tenents of faith. For instance, if a Muslim said "I don't believe in God", they would effectively no longer be Muslim since belief in God is an article of faith.

LuckyCharm
01-25-2011, 07:05 PM
According to the article, she stopped wearing her hijab. Qur'an 8:12 instructs Muslims to decapitate infidels.


What does this have to do with the price of tea in China? :huh:

Not wearing hijab does not make a Muslim woman a non-Muslim (as plenty of non-hijabed Muslim women will tell you). You can go to most Muslim countries (Iran and Saudi Arabia being exceptions since hijab is actually mandated by the law and enforced) and see Muslim women not wearing hijab. Hassan killed his wife because he is deeply disturbed and misogynistic, not out of some duty to kill "infidels". Now I'm going to stop before this thread does get political.

I think heckles was just using that to explain the symbolism that decapitation might have had for him, not as the reason that he killed her but as to why he chose to sever her head after he stabbed her 40 times. I think all of us agree that he's deeply disturbed, and very likely misogynistic as well.

My question is still how the hell does he think he's going to reconcile stabbing her 40 times and then cutting off her head with his pathetic claim of self defense? I know everyone has a right to present whatever defense they choose, but it's a shame that the court has to entertain such a ridiculous claim.


And he has already gone through a bunch of lawyers in the past 2 years.

His tactics appear to consist of trying to portray his actions as being misunderstood. His kids already testified against him, and his lawyer tried to paint it as just kids who have a difficult relationship with their father. :rolleyes:

Have (or will) his former wives testify to his abuse against them. Since he's claiming to be a victim, it might be relevant that he has a history of being the abuser.


Why is a man, who is supposedly mentally ill, being allowed to represent himself? This has retrial written all over it and could be a huge waste of taxpayers money.

Because mentally ill does not equal incompetent. He has a right to do it even if everyone knows it's probably just a very expensive waste of time.

modern_muslimah
01-25-2011, 07:17 PM
I think heckles was just using that to explain the symbolism that decapitation might have had for him, not as the reason that he killed her but as to why he chose to sever her head after he stabbed her 40 times. I think all of us agree that he's deeply disturbed, and very likely misogynistic as well.

I admit that I haven't kept up with the case since it occurred two years ago but did Hassan actually state that as his motivation for beheading her? I don't remember him doing so and that why I questioned the reference to the Qur'an verse in the first place.

heckles
01-25-2011, 07:27 PM
(For that matter, I'm unclear about what does make someone an "infidel" -- it isn't just being an unbeliever, right?)

I'm so glad that "only" unbelievers are to be decapitated.

Whoops, that relief was short-lived. There are those pesky verses specific to death of Christians and Jews, who according to the Muslims have "diseased hearts" (9:125). Jews are "mutated rats" and "apes" (7:166). I guess that explains why George Burns always looked sort of like a chimp. Both Christians and Jews are to "die in a fire" (3:24, 3:162, 5:37).

LuckyCharm
01-25-2011, 07:33 PM
I admit that I haven't kept up with the case since it occurred two years ago but did Hassan actually state that as his motivation for beheading her? I don't remember him doing so and that why I questioned the reference to the Qur'an verse in the first place.

From what I've read I don't believe he did. I think it's an assumption some have made because it's seems like such an unusual thing to do. I think folks are just trying to wrap their minds around what would motivate a person to do something so crazy.

Badams
01-25-2011, 07:34 PM
off to politically incorrect we go...

IceAlisa
01-25-2011, 07:39 PM
off to politically incorrect we go...

Told ya.

milanessa
01-25-2011, 08:16 PM
off to politically incorrect we go...

I still don't see why but if it happens so be it.

barbk
01-25-2011, 10:24 PM
Thanks, Modern_Muslimah.

barbk
01-25-2011, 10:31 PM
About the only generalization I'm drawing from this case is that perpetrators of domestic violence are exceptionally dangerous, and all to likely to be serial perpetrators. He may be mentally ill, but the degree of planning and premeditation, as well as his prior history of domestic violence causes me to think of this much more as a criminal offense than as a direct manifestation of mental illness or of his religion. (Very different from honor killings, for example.)

And on the politically incorrect front: I've yet to hear calls for the restriction of knife sales.

heckles
01-26-2011, 12:30 AM
He may be mentally ill, but the degree of planning and premeditation, as well as his prior history of domestic violence causes me to think of this much more as a criminal offense than as a direct manifestation of mental illness or of his religion. (Very different from honor killings, for example.)

Why would religion and criminal conduct be mutually exclusive? Muslim honor killings are often highly premeditated as well. The victim often has to be lured back to the family home under the pretense that she's been forgiven, and each family member present may have a planned role in her death: who holds her down, who strangles her, who cuts her head off, who disposes of the body. There's little spontaneous about many of these murders.

barbk
01-26-2011, 02:31 AM
Hmmm... I don't think I wrote that very well. What I was trying to say was that it seems to me more of a criminal offense inspired by domestic violence, and not inspired by his religion, than a criminal offense (like honor killings) that are religiously inspired, or of a criminal offense (like John Hinckely's) which appeared to be driven by mental illness. I'm not suggesting that whether or not it is a religiously-inspired killing makes it more or less culpable -- just that I don't (personally) see it as a manifestation of some warped view of Muslim faith. (Whereas suicide bombers I do see that way.)