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Ladida
05-18-2011, 01:50 PM
I hope B/S, R/T and M/K will have new fabulous FDs and steel the spotlight from I/K and challenge them much more than last season.

risto1803
05-18-2011, 01:59 PM
I hope B/S, R/T and M/K will have new fabulous FDs and steel the spotlight from I/K and challenge them much more than last season.

With all people from the federation involved in I/K decision to leave Zhulin and go to Morozov, it would be very hard for anyone to challenge I/K on a national level. It is obvious that the Federation's number one priority in ice dancing are I/K. The Federation are involved in this coaching change, and they will do everything that they can to prove that they made the right decision. Who cares about the programs :mad:.

This is a great political move for I/K.

Don't get me wrong, I believe I/K will be the best in Russia next year. From what I/K are saying, they will work with different specialists in USA, many people will help them in the preparation for next year, etc. The federation will pay for all of this. What about the other teams? Will they receive such a support? I doubt it.

fanof
05-18-2011, 02:03 PM
I hope B/S, R/T and M/K will have new fabulous FDs and steel the spotlight from I/K and challenge them much more than last season.

Bobroва ,Soloviev and Monko/Khaliavin is a promicing group. Too love them :D.

Domshabfan
05-18-2011, 02:04 PM
I'm really disappointed with I/K, especially with Katsalapov's mouth. They weren't good enough to have a prayer against Shibs at worlds, and pointing fingers at their former coach won't get their skating any better.

Last thing I want to see next season is them getting on the podium with e-coli morozov TM rubish program with lots of posing and two foot skating.

Honestly there isn't a lot of exciting programs anyway, that is the reason why i was routing for Zhulin camp, since both his teams had exciting programs. I don't think dances on this years podium was a lot to brag about, Shibus where clean but did typical Z/S program... lovely dovely program, so i think I can survive a Morozov programs to make the podium. i would be more happy to see a Krylova team (P/B) also make the podium.

As for them not good enough to beat the Shibus, i would like to remind you that I/K's SD was very close to Shibus and a clean FD would have certainly put I/K near Shibus's overall scores.

fanof
05-18-2011, 02:06 PM
Another thing that makes me mad is what the RSF is supposedly doing.If they have traded the coach with the 1st couple positing before the season even starts, there is no need for the other couples to even try to compete.If you award positions and medals behind the scenes how are you going to look professional?It's like saying that Skate Canada had to prevent W/P from finishing above C/P and send the judges a note saying,"don't you dare give them better marks".For this reason only,I refuse to believe that there is such a case, yet.

Cannadians boring.

fanof
05-18-2011, 02:10 PM
Honestly there isn't a lot of exciting programs anyway, that is the reason why i was routing for Zhulin camp, since both his teams had exciting programs. I don't think dances on this years podium was a lot to brag about, Shibus where clean but did typical Z/S program... lovely dovely program, so i think I can survive a Morozov programs to make the podium. i would be more happy to see a Krylova team (P/B) also make the podium.

As for them not good enough to beat the Shibus, i would like to remind you that I/K's SD was very close to Shibus and a clean FD would have certainly put I/K near Shibus's overall scores.

I/K is higher in P.C.S., in SP: :D
SS TR PE CC IT
Elena ILINYKH / Nikita KATSALAPOV 7.82 7.46 7.75 7.75 7.82
Maia SHIBUTANI / Alex SHIBUTANI 7.68 7.43 7.75 7.82 7.71
Kaitlyn WEAVER / Andrew POJE 7.43 7.18 7.54 7.36 7.50
Vanessa CRONE / Paul POIRIER 7.39 7.32 7.29 7.18 7.29

RumbleFish
05-18-2011, 03:01 PM
I/K is higher in P.C.S., in SP: :D
SS TR PE CC IT
Elena ILINYKH / Nikita KATSALAPOV 7.82 7.46 7.75 7.75 7.82
Maia SHIBUTANI / Alex SHIBUTANI 7.68 7.43 7.75 7.82 7.71
Kaitlyn WEAVER / Andrew POJE 7.43 7.18 7.54 7.36 7.50
Vanessa CRONE / Paul POIRIER 7.39 7.32 7.29 7.18 7.29

Sorry for being late and off-topic.
But I thought Weaver & Poje was miles better than both Shibs and I/K.

winterchik
05-18-2011, 04:15 PM
Sorry for being late and off-topic.
But I thought Weaver & Poje was miles better than both Shibs and I/K.

:D

Cherub721
05-18-2011, 04:40 PM
I loved Nikita's comments. He seems to have a good head on his shoulders. I don't think this is like Mukhortova & Trankov who kept switching coaches early in their careers because they couldn't get along and get to work. I&K want to work. They want a very professional and organized environment which is exactly what young skaters just out of juniors need. He wasn't just bashing the old coaching situation. He gave specific examples to back it up. And my observations of I&K's natural talent vs. the crap performances they were putting out make me believe him. I find it appalling that he had to go on the internet for guidance after asking questions of both his coach and his assistant coach. He sounds like a smart, quiet, analytical guy. He wants to understand exactly what he's doing, why he is doing it, what he's going to be doing tomorrow and next week, and how it all fits together as a whole for the season. Not every skater is like this and perhaps P&B being more experienced were better suited to Zhulin's style. It's not wrong for I&K to seek a coaching regime that addresses their concerns and to explain it in the press to dispel rumors about their own work ethic. I'm glad he's cleared up some of the rumors that were already starting about them being lazy.

I don't think he was bashing the Shibs at all; I did not read his comments to say that they were better than the Shibs at that competition. He is saying that based on their juniors experience, they should at least be considered at the same general level (according to the translation he said they were "not worse" not that they were oh so much better), and so, if the Shibs could medal at their first Worlds, this was possible for I&K too. They fell well short of it and it sounds like it was because of their training. I'm glad he has a fighting spirit and is talking about achieving a higher place but doing so without wuzrobbing or complaining about judging.

Marina and Igor may have a lot of teams but somehow I don't think their pupils are relegating to reading the rules online and looking at youtube... :shuffle: I'm glad I&K at least have the good taste to look at videos of G&P and vintage U&Z but am not sure that's the wisest approach since it is pre-CoP. They clearly need more guidance from professionals.

Zhulin is worried that I&K would've peaked in November.. IMO, they never peaked last season! From the Russian test skate to Worlds, I always thought their FD was a nice idea with some great flourishes that needed a lot of work on the lifts and transitions. I kept thinking it would happen after the GP, or after Nationals, but it never did, not even with the extra time before Worlds. I thought there was an interview that said they would be getting new lifts after Skate America, but I didn't see any improvement in that area over the season.


Too bad Morozov sucks. :lol: I would not be surprised to see I&K changing coaches again this time next year. And if their coaching situation is still up in the air 2 years before the Olympics, they aren't going to be contending for a gold, and possibly not even a medal. And that would normally be ok if only it weren't for V&M's success and the Olympics being in Sochi. In any other era of skating, they would be considered as contenders for 2018 or even 2022, not 2014. It really is an insane, unrealistic amount of pressure. I am keeping my expectations low and that's not a comment about their abilities.

Wish they could find a coach who has Zhulin's creativity along with a stable working environment. :(

Hedwig
05-18-2011, 04:46 PM
Cherub, I agree with your post completely.

I am surprised about the criticism on Zhulin but mostly because I had heard so many good things from P/B about him and because I loved the programs from I/K (minus the recycled lifts), but apparently they were mostly done by an assistant coach (the choreography) anyway.
He does not seem bitchy to me but to answer the question why they left.

I am sorry about it because it seemed to me like Zhulin was perfect for them. He is/was a great ice-dancer and N/K were fabulous technicians under his tutelage.
Morosov has never produced fabulous technique in his ice-dancers unless you count skating at snail-pace and not falling like GrushGons as good technique :shuffle:
But maybe it is true that Zhulin had less and less time for them. Then a switch is in order.

why Morosov is a question I cannot answer or only with a lot of head-banging.

Rafter
05-18-2011, 05:11 PM
Personally I'm cringing at the thought of what Morozov will do with I&K, especially for FDs. I wonder if Morozov will have the guts to choreo a program for I&K that is a blatant rip-off of another team's past FD - ie. what he did for C&L this year (speaking of C&L, are they allowed to stay with Morozov?).

Morozov's choreo for ice dance is rather hideous, especially of late. I'm thinking here mainly of the Reeds and the Ukrainian couple Z&B who were at the Olympics last year.

What will also be interesting to see is what happens when Morozov inevitably gets bored with Miki Ando and starts making the moves on Elena. :watch:

hanca
05-18-2011, 05:15 PM
why Morosov is a question I cannot answer or only with a lot of head-banging.

Maybe because he had a lot of spaces open now, if he had to let go all non Russian skaters (with the exception of Miki and Amodio?

Or maybe there wasn't any other Russian coach (with good name) left who has spaces and doesn't teach their direct competitors?

BlueRidge
05-18-2011, 05:22 PM
Personally I'm cringing at the thought of what Morozov will do with I&K, especially for FDs. I wonder if Morozov will have the guts to choreo a program for I&K that is a blatant rip-off of another team's past FD - ie. what he did for C&L this year (speaking of C&L, are they allowed to stay with Morozov?).

...

Maybe he'll just recycle the same one, after all C&L only used it once. :saint:

Autumn_girl
05-18-2011, 05:39 PM
Maybe he'll just recycle the same one, after all C&L only used it once. :saint:

Actually Morozov didn't create this FD for C/L, they aready came to him with it. He only made some changes and helped them to polish it

BlueRidge
05-18-2011, 05:41 PM
Actually Morozov didn't create this FD for C/L, they aready came to him with it. He only made some changes and helped them to polish it

When did they go to Morosov? I sort of wasn't paying attention...