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Asli
05-17-2011, 10:09 PM
I also wonder if the RF ordered I/K to speak publicly against Zhulin. I don't like the "let's talk against Zhulin; it's his fault" part.

What do you think the RFSF is, the Ministry of Propaganda? ;)

I/K have left their coach and in this interview they are explaining their reasons for doing this. You may agree with these reasons or not, but they express them eloquently and with a fair amount of fire. There is no reason to believe the Russian federation is putting those words in their mouths.

I can't wait to see their Latin SD. They're going to rock IMO. :cheer:

dinakt
05-17-2011, 10:29 PM
What do you think the RFSF is, the Ministry of Propaganda? ;)

I/K have left their coach and in this interview they are explaining their reasons for doing this. You may agree with these reasons or not, but they express them eloquently and with a fair amount of fire. There is no reason to believe the Russian federation is putting those words in their mouths.

I can't wait to see their Latin SD. They're going to rock IMO. :cheer:

I suspect I/K are sincere, but I also think the complaints were "planted" into them by Powers That Be. Zhulin is clearly out of favor; and when you tell young people they are better than their coach, at some point they'll believe the message. That complaint of Nikita's that he was thrown out of the rink instead of somebody else is pretty childish.
I love Zhulin and I love I/K, I just have to get used to loving them separately. Hope Zhulin finds the best way to be satisfied professionally, whatever it is and wherever it might be; hope I/K keep improving.

dinakt
05-17-2011, 10:43 PM
More back-and- forth between I/K and Zhulin.
http://www.sovsport.ru/news/text-item/458346

It's clear TAT played a big part in all of it.
Can't translate now; will try to write the main points soon; if anybody else has time to do even a part of it, would be a big help:)

rfisher
05-17-2011, 11:06 PM
:watch:

quiqie
05-17-2011, 11:44 PM
More back-and- forth between I/K and Zhulin.
http://www.sovsport.ru/news/text-item/458346

It's clear TAT played a big part in all of it.
Can't translate now; will try to write the main points soon; if anybody else has time to do even a part of it, would be a big help:)

Now they make it Katsalapov vs Zhulin :(

Nikita on why they left Zhulin:
There are a lot of reasons, not any big one. To put it short, Sasha Zhulin lacked insistence, character and patience when working with us. For example, he could skip practice, and we skated alone. We were training only three hours a day, it's very little! Even when we were preparing for Worlds, Alexander skipped some of our practices, and during the season, it happened a lot. And we were left to ourselves. Of course, the second coach, Oleg Volkov, was there when Zhulin was absent, but sometimes he could tell us: "Do whatever you want. I'm not interested."
We wanted to work with other professionals. Like Tatiana Tarasova, who likes us a lot, and we are very fond of her, and she wanted very much to help. But Sasha Zhulin did not let her. We had a lot of questions concerning the technical aspects of our programs, for example, transitions and steps that we were not feeling comfortable with and we had to look up the information on the Internet, watching other couples skate, looking for the solution of the problem. We have learned from Grishuk and Platov, from Zhulin himself with Maia Usova, by videotapes. We didn't have anyone to help us with lifts, and we were doing the same for several years.
We had problems with ice every now and then, the schedule was being changed all the time, we were practicing with Pechalat / Bourzat, Tomas Verner and about 15 children. When I told Alexander that it was too crowded and hard to work, he replied that he had to make his living somehow."
"At the beginning of the season we came back from summer camp in Latvia, few weeks before test skates in Novogorsk, and our programs still were not ready! Alexander Zhulin had a huge fight with Tarasova because of it. Well now there is no use of rehashing it all... It's a shame. We were not worse than Shibutanis, but they won bronze medals at the World championships, and we ended up being seventh. It's not our place! It was very difficult to accept that! So, we had to change something quickly."
- Nikita, they say that Federation of figure skating put a pressure on you to leave Zhulin, is it true?
- No, there was no pressure. We consulted with Alexander Gorshkov, the President of the Federation, with Yuri Nagornykh, Deputy Minister of Sport, and they supported our decision, that's all. But the decision was ours and ours only!
- How do you find working with Nikolai Morozov?
- Yesterday we finished training at five o'clock in the morning ... Nikolai Morozov in two days made a plan of work until August, and we know what is happening in every minute, every detail, what professionals will be working with us - and that is exactly what we wanted and what we missed. As you can see, we are quite prepared to skate all night, and we love it ... We enjoy a lot, Morozov is an energizer, he charges us with energy, with ideas, we don't feel any tiredness at all!

Zhulin responds:
"I really want to part with my students with dignity and not make a squabble out of it. Let Nikita say what he wants to. God be the judge. I can only say that one practice, if it's done right, is enough to get results. And there were results! Let them achieve more.
Nikita started to count my money... I'm surprised. Especially because I have never said to him these words, that I have to make money. Tomas Verner is Nathalie's boyfriend, she asked me to allow Tomas to skate with our group and I let him. There were never fifteen children on the ice. There were several girls and three young couples. I didn't understand why children bothered Nikita so much. In my opinion, they didn't bother him in any way.
- And what did?
- When a student considers himself a wonderchild and wants to manage the entire process, explaining the coach what the process should look like... you get what we got here. Programs were not ready in August ? And I never understood why they should be ready in August, when the first competition is in November. And no one will convince me that it's right. Why to make the athletes peak in August? To get a meltdown in November? When we had first competition in the end of August last season, the Schindler's List program was completely ready, and the couple was brilliant...
It's like a chess game. Garry Kasparov calculates ten moves ahead. Nikita and Lena, who think that they made such an adult and independent step, have calculated two. Nikita and Lena left me for a second time and I have a feeling that this is a first move of many. Let's just :watch:. I wish them success."

caseyedwards
05-17-2011, 11:47 PM
wow the drama. good luck to I/K!!

HisWeirness
05-17-2011, 11:49 PM
so now Morozov is the Energizer bunny? :lol:

:rolleyes: about the Shibutanis complaints. If you are better than them, show it on the ice.

Still like I/K, but I am wondering what Morozov will do with their programs.

julieann
05-18-2011, 12:00 AM
:rolleyes: about the Shibutanis complaints. If you are better than them, show it on the ice.

Does he really think that because they beat the Shibs as jrs they will always be ahead of them? That's silly talk.

I hope they get everything they need from Morozov; it looks like he just passes them off to other "specialists" he sounds more like a general contractor.

millipied
05-18-2011, 12:23 AM
Does he really think that because they beat the Shibs as jrs they will always be ahead of them? That's silly talk.


That's the winner's attitude and the right one for a successful athlete. If you do not to win, retire. I am glad they are taking their loss this year seriously and make necessary changes. He is not just whining but makes very specific complaints.

risto1803
05-18-2011, 12:35 AM
There is no reason to believe the Russian federation is putting those words in their mouths.

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A-ha, right :lol:

julieann
05-18-2011, 12:37 AM
That's the winner's attitude and the right one for a successful athlete. If you do not to win, retire. I am glad they are taking their loss this year seriously and make necessary changes. He is not just whining but makes very specific complaints.

No, it's not being realistic, his quote was:


We are not worse than the Shibutanis and beat them in juniors

Wasn't Zhulin their coach while they won their world juniors title? I didn't hear any complaints after that win...were there any until this year? Didn't they get their seasons best just a few months ago under him.

So what, they beat the Shibs in juniors, this is the seniors and every single competitions is different. Did Yuna expect because she beat everyone in juniors that she was unbeatable? I hope not.

If they didn't get along with him, or didn't like his training method, that's one thing, move on; now they have to chance to prove how good they can be with Morozov. But what will he say when the Shibs beat him next year? Who will he blame? :watch:

Asli
05-18-2011, 12:46 AM
A-ha, right :lol:

Could you be a bit more explicit? What do you think the Russian fed. gains by Nikita complaining about Zhulin?




Nikita- Yesterday we finished training at five o'clock in the morning ...

Good luck with that. What's the hurry? Why couldn't the training wait until the morning? I hope that they don't soon get injured.

Zhulin is being very classy for the moment. :watch:

If Nikita is complaining that there were too many skaters on the ice in Zhulin's camp, let's see what he'll feel with all Morozov's students.

risto1803
05-18-2011, 12:47 AM
But what will he say when the Shibs beat him next year? Who will he blame? :watch:

Exactly! I don't like this "let's blame Zhulin because Shibs are better than us". Move on, work hard, and let your results speak for your quality. Probably someone put into their head that they will win a medal at Wolrds next year under Morozov, or at least they will beat Shibs. I wish they do, but that is just one crazy expectation.

From all the pressure from the RF, I expect that the RF negotiated with Morozov that I/K will go to him only if he promises that I/K will be his first priority. Should we expect that C/L leave Morozov?

quiqie
05-18-2011, 12:48 AM
Wasn't Zhulin their coach while they won their world juniors title? I didn't hear any complaints after that win...were there any until this year? Didn't they get their seasons best just a few months ago under him.

So what, they beat the Shibs in juniors, this is the seniors and every single competitions is different. Did Yuna expect because she beat everyone in juniors that she was unbeatable? I hope not.

If they didn't get along with him, or didn't like his training method, that's one thing, move on; now they have to chance to prove how good they can be with Morozov. But what will he say when the Shibs beat him next year? Who will he blame? :watch:

Actually, it's exactly what Katsalapov is saying: that they couldn't be rivals for Shibutanis (whom they have beaten before and can therefore be considered in the same league) at Worlds because they were not prepared, and that is the reason they moved on.

caseyedwards
05-18-2011, 01:15 AM
Katsalapov said they were working hard. But had no coach really. That they were looking online for things like lifts. Umm that's what a coach is for. They were with him because of their past success but then he says he was just absent. They fell behind and don't feel that was right. Their whole relationship with their coach was over.