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Eislauffan
05-17-2011, 02:02 PM
Now that the Russian Federation has made a public statement about the switch of Ilinykh/Katsalapov I might add that they were very excited and happy about training with Nikolai Morozov when I saw them last week. They felt that they needed the change in order to progress further. I am a little sad as I really like what I saw of Zhulin's work with them and others, but on the other hand if skaters and coach weren't at the same wavelength anymore the change probably was necessary. Nikolai Morozov told me that he missed ice dance and his excited about working with them. I won't make any judgement before I see their new programs.

quiqie
05-17-2011, 02:34 PM
http://sport.rian.ru/sport/20110517/375858308.html


Russian ice dancers Elena Ilinykh / Nikita Katsalapov were pressured by the Russian Federation of figure skating (FFKKR) to leave their coach, Zhulin said to the "R-Sport" agency.

On Tuesday FFKKR officially confirmed that 2010 World Junior Champions Ilinykh and Katsalapov are now coached by Nikolai Morozov.

"Some authorities from the federation were definitely involved in this coach switch - Zhulin said by phone to a R-Sport reporter. - People kept telling me during the last season - watch out, they will leave, they will leave. Well, if there is neither contact nor trust between students and a coach - trust is the most important - it won't work out. Although, I think that I and (assistant coach) Oleg Volkov did a good job. "

Zhulin added that Ilinykh and Katsalapov's move didn't come as a surprise to him.

"I knew about their decision for about a week and a half - said the coach, - so today's official announcement did not surprise me. I'm not in the best mood, to put it mildly, because for a coach every time when students leave is an experience. And after the Worlds two my couples were taken from me (the first was the French duo Nathalie Pechalat / Fabien Bourzat). But let God be the judge - if the result they show under a new coach is better, so be it. "

According to Zhulin, he didn't approve of the decision of Ilinykh / Katsalapov, who finished 7th at their first senior World championships in Moscow.

"I think that running hither and thither in 90 percent of cases doesn't do any good, - said the expert. - If athletes think that they failed because of other peoples' wrong doings rather than their own, in my opinion, it is a mistake. By the way, it is not the first time Ilinykh and Katsalapov leave me. The first was two years ago, before "Schindler's List" (the program with which the ice dancers won the World Junior Championships in 2010). Apparently, it's a pattern already. "

At the same time, the coach could not answer the question whether he would take former students back if they so wish.

"We parted well, - said Zhulin. - Today they came, gave me a small souvenir and thanked for the work we've done. I wished them good luck." I didn't say "If it doesn't work out, come back." And I can't say whether I will take them back if they ask to. Right now it's too hard for me."

risto1803
05-17-2011, 03:37 PM
I feel sorry for Zhulin. Obviously one of the goals of the RF is to ruin Zhulin as a coach. They liked when Navka and Kostomarov were winning gold medals and didn't want to give him a chance with I/K.

If you look at the reasoning of the RF (and some people on this board), this year was a failure for I/K. Applying the same reasoning, was last year a failure for Shibutanas? They we second at the Junior Worlds in 2009, and fourth last year beaten by I/K who didn't even compete in 2009. They didn't run away from their coaches. They kept working hard and had great results this year.

It is nice to hear that I/K are happy with Morozov. However, any student are happy with the new coach after the move. I expect they will be in a better shape next year, but I don't expect interesting and innovative programs from Morozov; I don't think he has the artistic and intellectual capabilities to produce anything even close to the I/K programs from 2009/2010, or even the programs from this year. They will probably skate to Carmen next year :D. As he always does, he will probably steal some of the programs that S/Z did (like this year with C/L) and gave it to I/K. Are they at least keeping Vlassova as a choreographer?

I am aslo puzzled why he RF doesn't force Bobrova/Soloviev to change coaches? Their placement at the Worlds was much bigger failure than the placement of I/K? Or the RF really doesn't care about them? The best thing for I/K from this move is that they will have a full support from the RF. I don't think it would matter the quality of the programs that Morozov will give them-they are now with the RF favorite coach and the RF is happy.

MarieM
05-17-2011, 03:58 PM
Bobrova / Soloviev are also rumoured to be forced changing coach. :(

RSF is mad. Zhulin was the BEST that could happen to I&K. Morozov is the worst thing that could happen to them.

risto1803
05-17-2011, 04:00 PM
Bobrova / Soloviev are also rumoured to be forced changing coach. :(


Where are they going to? Morozov :D?

Force everyone to Morozov. He did an outstanding job with Voronov this year :D - Russian Champion for two years, and silver medalist last year didn't even medal this year. Great achievement!

Domshabfan
05-17-2011, 04:30 PM
Bobrova / Soloviev are also rumoured to be forced changing coach. :(

RSF is mad. Zhulin was the BEST that could happen to I&K. Morozov is the worst thing that could happen to them.

It is something we all (including you) knew for a long time.:P

Asli
05-17-2011, 04:39 PM
RSF is mad. Zhulin was the BEST that could happen to I&K. Morozov is the worst thing that could happen to them.

However if I/K don't want to work with Zhulin for whatever reason, they can't be forced to stay with him for years. Zhulin himself says above that when there is not trust between the skaters and the coach, it won't work.

I'm very sorry for Zhulin. he did an excellent job both with P&B and I&K and now both couples are gone. :(

julieann
05-17-2011, 04:55 PM
I feel bad for skaters who think they are going to get attention from Morozov when he has so many students already.

joeperryfan
05-17-2011, 05:05 PM
I'm very sorry for Zhulin. he did an excellent job both with P&B and I&K and now both couples are gone. :(

Yeah, I second that. OTOH, in part he is in this situation because he has an enormous amount of work(and profit) with Ice Age... imagine if they had done to someone with less work resources... IIRC, when Zhulin coached N/K the fed tried to push him aside as well at some point, didn't they? I wonder what is their beef with Zhulin?

Ajax
05-17-2011, 05:15 PM
I think it was Smooth but not entirely sure
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipShSILiRz8

Thanks for that link. I have always adored that program, so sexy and adorable :)

ETA: Catching up on the rest of the thread... Is Morozov the only Russian coach out there or something? Why does EVERYBODY go to him?

hanca
05-17-2011, 07:34 PM
Thanks for that link. I have always adored that program, so sexy and adorable :)

ETA: Catching up on the rest of the thread... Is Morozov the only Russian coach out there or something? Why does EVERYBODY go to him?

Maybe because Ando won the worlds, Amodio the Europeans... He is 'it' at the moment

Moka-Ananas
05-17-2011, 08:06 PM
Well, at least Morozov's students are all very consistent.
Probably this will help I/K as they have been struggling in the consistency department the whole year.

Autumn_girl
05-17-2011, 09:20 PM
I/K are sure to join Morozov's group was the right decision
http://sport.rian.ru/sport/20110517/376021694.html
Elena:"We've been working with Morozov for a week already and know we made the right decision. We are ready to improve and to win"
Nikita:"We made this decision with the support of RFSF and specialists like Gorshkov, Nagornykh and Tarasova"
The main reason of coaches change, accroding Katsalapov words, is that they weren't satisfied with the quaity and intensity of their coach's work. "It seemed like everything was fine in our group. But it wasn't. It was the very important season for us and we had problems from the very beginning. None of our programs was ready for first test skates. We worked on them before the Grand Prix but still had to change something"
"We've been using the same lifts for three years. Me and Lena asked Zhulin to invite some specialists to help us with that, but he didn't."
The other reason was mistakes with preparation for Worlds. "We had 3 hours a day on ice without break and it was very uncomfortable. We had only 2 weekes left before Worlds and it was very croweded on practices. P/B, Tomas Verner and kids from Zhulin's group skated with us. In the end we collided with one of the skaters, I injured my leg and Lena hit the board. Zhulin wasn't there at the moment and Volkov, our other coach, kicked me out of the ice".
"I think if we were better prepared for Worlds we could fight for bronze medals. We are not worse than the Shibutanis and beat them in juniors"
"Morozov is ready to give us attention we need. In a few days he invited all the specialists we wanted to work with. I'm sure next season we will be in good shape"
"We are very thankful to Zhulin, Volkov and Vlasova for all their hard work and World Junior title we won with them"
Elena told they are going to work with ballroom dance specialists for their new programs: "We will go to New York in a few days and are going to follow some dance classes on the Broadway. Mostly latina for our new SD, but maybe we will try something else too"

Andrey aka Pushkin
05-17-2011, 09:22 PM
IMO it's not so much a matter of lowering the other team's training conditions as it is a matter of piling up all the resources for their own teams. Have you ever been in a situation where you were paying for a service and noticed that you were getting crap work because someone was trying to work for 3728 people at the same time? I suspect that's how the Rus Fed thinks in relation to this matter.
Oh, I know how the head of the Russian administrators on all levels work :rolleyes:

It goes something like "we have to get the results at any cost, otherwise our heads will roll, so we have to forbid-forbid-forbid something".

I don't think that whoever made this moronic decision actually consulted with the coaches and skaters themselves, nor he thought about overload on the coaches (and gee, why did they transfer more or less everyone to Morozov now?). It's the usual idea of making the life harder for the "others" in a desperate attempt to look good on their expense. And I don't think it'll work anyway.

Re Bobrova/Soloviev are not leaving Kustarova (of all the people :rolleyes: ).

Fernandez is already in Spain and it's unclear who is going to coach him next season, so far it's the Saezes, but as of now he's not planned to be back with Morozov. The rest of Morozov's group is off to US, apart from Leonova who has troubles getting a visa.

P/B didn't leave Zhulin because of the demand of the Russian federation. I didn't get this from the first hands, so this information might be false, but my :sekret: was quite sure about it.

risto1803
05-17-2011, 09:54 PM
I/K are sure to join Morozov's group was the right decision
http://sport.rian.ru/sport/20110517/376021694.html
Elena:"We've been working with Morozov for a week already and know we made the right decision. We are ready to improve and to win"
Nikita:"We made this decision with the support of RFSF and specialists like Gorshkov, Nagornykh and Tarasova"


I knew that Tarasova is involved in this :D. So basically everyone from the federation encouraged them to go to Morozov :( . It is obvious that the RF has high hopes for them (rightfully), but all this support to go to Morozov tells me that I/K will be number one russian dance team next year no matter what. Poor B/S, the RF don't even bother to help them.

What if they don't beat Shibutanis next year? Who will take the blame?

I also wonder if the RF ordered I/K to speak publicly against Zhulin. I don't like the "let's talk against Zhulin; it's his fault" part.