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judgejudy27
01-18-2011, 04:46 PM
Which of these dominant female skaters do you feel had the toughest competition of anyone while they reigned or were fighting for the top.

orbitz
01-18-2011, 05:03 PM
Kwan because of how long she was competing at the top level.

JerseySlore
01-18-2011, 05:06 PM
Slutskaya, with Ito close second. Irina had to duke it out with Kwan and Butyrskaya in the early 2000s, and add to the mix Cohen and Arakawa (and dare I say Suguri and Sokolova to lesser extent?).

Ito should've had minimal competition, but she was either snubbed, or failed to deliver.

judgejudy27
01-18-2011, 05:13 PM
I would probably pick Kim or Asada.

I definitely wouldnt pick Kwan. Slutskaya would have been a 5 time World Champion if Kwan hadnt existed which already says enough about that era (with all due respect to Irina). Slutskaya had tougher competition than Kwan only since she faced Kwan who is obviously better than Slutskaya who Kwan faced, LOL!

I wouldnt pick Ito or Yamaguchi either. The great Ito was held back by the overemphasis on figures and politics early on, then by injuries and bad luck later. Yamaguchi faced Ito in her twilight years when she ran into problems, a great Harding once in a blue moon, then went pro and mostly faced easily manageable competition again.

Witt I might consider too I suppose. The mid to late 80s was pretty competitive and diverse group, taking into account figures.

BigB08822
01-18-2011, 05:22 PM
I don't see how Kim and Asada have had more competition than each other, really. Let's be honest, if they skate to their potential the only ones who could ever beat them were each other. Rochette wasn't coming close, Ando was always going to be a distant 3rd. The US ladies had no one to scare them and Russia has been non existent. Kostner can't stay on her feet until this season. That is a silly pick, IMO.

JerseySlore
01-18-2011, 05:24 PM
What you said about Slute/Kwan, doesn't it apply to Kim/Asada as well? Kim didn't have any legitimate threat besides Asada, and neither did Asada until she wasn't her usual dominant self.

Satellitegirl
01-18-2011, 05:27 PM
When someone so decidedly wins competitions and is consistent like Kwan or Kim, it's hard to say they had a lot of competition, when they were rarely beat. I'm sort of not sure how to even answer the question lol.

I chose Witt.

judgejudy27
01-18-2011, 05:39 PM
I don't see how Kim and Asada have had more competition than each other, really. Let's be honest, if they skate to their potential the only ones who could ever beat them were each other. Rochette wasn't coming close, Ando was always going to be a distant 3rd. The US ladies had no one to scare them and Russia has been non existent. Kostner can't stay on her feet until this season. That is a silly pick, IMO.

The same is true of all the others.

Who was going to eat Kwan or Slutskaya if they skated close to their potential? Nobody. Hughes? LOL! Butyrskaya? even bigger LOL! Cohen? Yeah right. Arakawa? Again definitely no. I guess Tara Lipinski is the only one but she retired at 15 so hardly was there.

Yamaguchi or Ito if they skated close to their potential? Maybe Harding once in a blue moon, that is it.

Witt or Thomas if they skated close to their potential? Given the restriction with figures and politiks again nobody.


I consider Ando (who I dont even like much) and Rochette to be better skaters than Butyrskaya, Hughes, Cohen, Kerrigan, the usual Harding. That is why I picked one of Kim or Asada.

orbitz
01-18-2011, 05:53 PM
Who was going to eat Kwan or Slutskaya if they skated close to their potential? Nobody. Hughes? LOL! Butyrskaya? even bigger LOL!


I wonder what the 1999 World podium would've been like if MK had two perfect skates vs. Butyrskaya, who had two perferct skates of her own at won that year. Would the judges have awarded the gold to Maria anyway just to get a new face on top of the podium?

judgejudy27
01-18-2011, 05:56 PM
I wonder what the 1999 World podium would've been like if MK had two perfect skates vs. Butyrskaya, who had two perferct skates of her own at won that year. Would the judges have awarded the gold to Maria anyway just to get a new face on top of the podium?

I think the only year Butyrskaya could have beaten a clean Kwan was the 2000 Worlds, and that is only since she was the defending Champion and had her best short program ever there. Maybe in 2001 she would have had a chance too if she hadnt bombed badly at the GP final but after that she wasnt going to be a gold threat ever again.

1999 I guess it is all speculation but I would say not a chance. She wasnt that big a name yet although she became Kwan's closest competitor in the depleted field that year. Kwan had a more difficult long program planned with 2 triple lutzes and a triple-triple. And of course Kwan was just the better skater, even if her programs that year werent the greatest she has had.

I always looked at Maria as a bronze medal contender, I never really thought of her as a big title threat, a champion caliber skater, or part of a big rivalry at the top. Her World title was a big surprise for me and something I never imagined happening for her, although she certainly deserved it as she definitely skated the best of anyone at those Worlds.

MikiAndoFan#1
01-18-2011, 07:04 PM
Michelle Kwan.

briancoogaert
01-18-2011, 07:18 PM
Michelle Kwan, of course. She managed to be World champion 5-times against so many different generations of skaters. Unbelievable !

duane
01-18-2011, 07:24 PM
I picked Michelle. From 1996 - 2003, she faced the likes of Chen, Tara, Hughes, Cohen, Maria B, and Irina. That is some serious competition.

kia_4EverOnIce
01-18-2011, 07:27 PM
Kim and Asada

BigB08822
01-18-2011, 08:57 PM
Let's break it down, then:

Kwan competed as a dominant skater from 1996 to 2004. That took her from her first World title to her last World medal. In that time she was beaten by Slutskaya, Butyrskaya, Lipinski, Arakawa and Cohen (silver to her bronze) at Worlds. Outside of Worlds we can add Hughes at the Olympics. There are probably other times Kwan lost to people but I am not going to go through every individual competition. In addition to these skaters she had competition against Bobek, Chen, Gusmeroli, Sokolova, Suguri, Kostner, etc. All fine skaters whose names we would recognize and whom had successes of their own. Kwan even beat Ito in 1996! I know, I know, Ito was well past her prime but I thought that was neat, she placed a very respectable 7th.

The same could be said of Slutskaya, as well, although she was not as dominant for as long as Kwan was.

I fail to see how Kim and Asada compare. Kim only ever lost when she had a serious back injury it seems or she was beaten by Asada. Asada only ever lost to Kim who seemed to be favored when going clean. Anyone else who ever beat them had to hope for meltdowns of epic proportions. There really wasn't any competition for either of them outside of each other. They could only beat themselves, really, especially with COP. Now it is different with Asada struggling but I doubt many people would consider her to be having more competition this year, she is just struggling and therefore getting beaten by a lot of people.