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judgejudy27
01-14-2011, 11:06 PM
Wow I thought skateboy would atleast have an opinion on this thread as I know he is a big fan of the Zhangs. I was curious what he thought.

julieann
01-15-2011, 12:03 AM
SP

TEC
Z/Z 43.50
K/S 42.28 -1.22
S/S 40.75 -2.75
D/D 40.52 -2.98
P/T 37.58 -5.92

PCS
S/S 31.25
Z/Z 30.86 -0.39
P/T 30.29 -0.96
K/S 29.14 -2.11
D/D 28.14 -3.11

TOTAL
Z/Z 74.36
S/S 72.00 -2.36
K/S 71.42 -2.94
D/D 68.66 -5.70
P/T 67.87 -6.49

People do often forget about the short and how a few points can make a huge difference going into the long. People were just upset that P/T got no credit for the 3T because it was downgraded, like it's impossible for them to mess up a jump (even though they fall, step out and open too early) it was unfortunate for P/T that it happened but it was correct.

If they would have done it correctly they would have probably been in 2nd or 3rd.

Z/Z (no music :mad:) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4OmxSSE4n8)
S/S (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcF0pTUfOLQ)
K/S (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrgCWyXj84U&feature=related)
D/D (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYsciylQcfI)
No P/T, sorry...please post if you find it.

briancoogaert
01-15-2011, 02:00 PM
Wow I thought skateboy would atleast have an opinion on this thread as I know he is a big fan of the Zhangs. I was curious what he thought.
If you opened this thread to know his opinion, why didn't you just send him a PM ? :P

Finnice
01-15-2011, 03:13 PM
Savchenko&Szolkowy, without any doubt !
I think they would have deserved the 2010 Euros title as well ;)

Absolutely:P

julieann
01-15-2011, 04:09 PM
I think they would have deserved the 2010 Euros title as well ;)

They made too many mistakes that night to win that one. :)

judgejudy27
01-15-2011, 04:23 PM
It is interesting though when looking back at the 2008 Worlds. In the short program likely the Germans would have scored about 3 points higher without the step out on her triple toe (assuming they got a bit of GOE). So they probably still only would have won the SP over the Zhangs by a point or less with both going clean. Yet in the LP they were able to have more and much worse mistakes than the Zhangs and still win the LP by about 8 points. So I guess the scoring potential of the two teams was much vastly different in the LP as compared to the short.

julieann
01-15-2011, 05:44 PM
It is interesting though when looking back at the 2008 Worlds. In the short program likely the Germans would have scored about 3 points higher without the step out on her triple toe (assuming they got a bit of GOE). So they probably still only would have won the SP over the Zhangs by a point or less with both going clean. Yet in the LP they were able to have more and much worse mistakes than the Zhangs and still win the LP by about 8 points. So I guess the scoring potential of the two teams was much vastly different in the LP as compared to the short.

S/S had a base value of 62.35, much higher than Z/Z 57.30. S/S only made two mistakes, one on the 3S where they were given all -3 in GOE and the 3T seq where they were mostly given -1 or -2. The rest of the program was spot on and were given full levels for everything except the step sequence was a 3. They even got a level 2 twist to finish with 68.77 TEC and 63.03 PCS. The Zhangs PCS were only 59.31.

The Zhangs started out with a base value of 57.30 (even D/D and K/S were higher) because they didn't get full levels on many of their elements that brought the base value down and along with their mistakes they ended up with a TEC score of 64.15.

S/S more than made up for the SP deficit to win.