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taf2002
01-11-2011, 08:57 PM
When I was in HS, single girls didn't accept pricey gifts from men & the reason given was that it could create an expectation of some form of repayment, ie sex. For older girls/women, this would be ridiculous in many cases, as "repayment" is probably already going on.

ETA: mmary, we were posting at the same time :lol:

kia_4EverOnIce
01-11-2011, 09:01 PM
Includes video: Q&A with figure skater Johnny Weir (http://espn.go.com/olympics/blog/_/name/olympics/id/6012061/qa-figure-skater-johnny-weir)

thank you! the interview is really interesting and far more mature than the bites of the book already discussed! :respec:

I too didn't like how the excerpt were written, but I think that this kind of writing will be good for a target of teenagers and fans. I don't care if literally is poor, since that's not supposed to be a literature masterpiece, but just a book about a skater for his fan into skating, but not necessarily uber-skating fan.
For the name-dropping in the preface, it's just a way to make it marketable...if he had started with somthing like "when I put on my first skates..." only a few skating addicted would have gone further..this way maybe it will appeal to a larger public, and it's obviously trying to be the book of the day and he's having fun with it.

IMO, the worst thing are the comments about USFSA and how he missed some competition due to "stupid" things...
also, it's not the best way to prepare a comeback :rolleyes:

rfisher
01-11-2011, 09:05 PM
The publishers have to pay to get their books on a shelf at Borders? :lol: You learn something new every day!

They do to get them displayed in prominent places such as near the entrance. Those are the books most likely to catch the attention. Otherwise, they just get up on a shelf and no body will find them unless you're looking specifically for the book.

REO
01-11-2011, 09:17 PM
So sad. I remember a time when most of the skaters refused to accept expensive gifts from fans because it was so inappropriate. And he has certainly begged for items he wants by posting that he likes them on his Twitter. Kind of a wink, wink get it for me dummy.

That's stupid. This happened years ago way before any economic decline. His first trip to Japan. How are you going to look someone, who did such an incredible thing for you, in the eye and refuse her gift?!
This is what I meant by people taking an excerpt and flipping out about it. That and turning any little anecdote into a complete justification of your opinion that he's a total bastard.

No one can deny that faking illness because he was in a snit about his costume was immature and inappropriate. And if you actually read the book (it only took me a few hours) he agrees with that assessment.

The book tells his story warts and all. He does not hold himself blameless for alot of his tribulations.

As far as Alex is concerned he said that someone had asked to have a pseudonym. I'm thinking it was Alex since he's the only possibility. Johnny complied. So the man knew he'd be in the book but not named. People have been trying to hone in on who he was for years. If you think it's uncool to snoop and figure it out then don't do it and if you do figure it out, that and a buck will get you a cup of coffee.

Carolla5501
01-11-2011, 09:19 PM
Some books don't always have to pay, but a new author like Weir.. yeah. (For example, I don't think the publisher paid to display the last Harry Potter release, why should they? Those fans would have found it in the basement!)And then there are the "Staff" choices at my local Barnes & Nobel on display near the front. (And based on thier past picks I don't see this making the cut, they tend to be very "literary")

Carolla5501
01-11-2011, 09:21 PM
As far as Alex is concerned he said that someone had asked to have a pseudonym. I'm thinking it was Alex since he's the only possibility. Johnny complied. So the man knew he'd be in the book but not named. People have been trying to hone in on who he was for years. If you think it's uncool to snoop and figure it out then don't do it and if you do figure it out, that and a buck will get you a cup of coffee.

But then he gave enough details for people to probably figure it out... Just not good IMHO. I am more disappointed in that then the lying to USFSA. I think he may have gotten that back. He complained they didn't support him, but sounds like that went both ways. They don't do "unconditional love" :lol:

REO
01-11-2011, 09:23 PM
I've always been sad for these fans. Someone really lost connection to reality. One's love and support for a skster should not be measured by how expensive gifts you give to this person. Not to mention that most of such gifts are not even heartfelt. :(

That hissy fit about the costume makes me wanna barf. It's just A COSTUME! This had been always one of my greatest problems with Johnny. What he wears or has worn was always more important for him than the actual act he performed wearing them.

I think the fans who give these gift give them very whole heartedly. I personally would not do it, but whatever floats your boat. I think they're sweet.

He considers his costumes as part and parcel of his performance and the story he wants to tell. He skates for the artistic element. It's what is most important to him. That's just how he is and why alot of fans love him. I certainly agree with you that he was wrong to have such an over the top reaction but then in hind sight so does he.

reese
01-11-2011, 09:23 PM
So I walked over to the Borders at Columbus Circle this afternoon where Johnny is doing a book signing tonight at 7. There were about 20 or so copies of his book on the table; I read through it for about 30 minutes. It's pretty superficial-- not just all the name dropping and Balenciaga bag mentions, but superficial in that it's easy to skim, contains no particularly interesting psychological insights and it's entirely chronological.

Galina comes off like a spoiled child with boundary issues, entitlement issues and a fierce mean streak. There's lots of examples of this, but the one that stood out (that Johnny gleefully recalls) is Johnny at a competition in Japan (the two usually only speak Russian to each other just to piss off USFS officials) she commented that an unnamed American skater "looks like a cow. An American cow."

Also, Johnny writes about the 2010 Nationals like it was just the worst experience because, as always, EVERYONE WAS AGAINST HIM. He writes that the reason he skated so poorly in the FS was because one of the judges gave him a 3.75 (or something like that) on one of the component marks in the SP. He just couldn't recover from that psychologically, you see. Also, according to Johnny, the only reason he got put on the Olympic team instead of Ryan Bradley was because of his television show and all the backlash leaving him off the team would have caused the USFSA.

Also, there's a part about firing Priscilla and how his mom did it for him (he was sitting next to her) because, as he quotes his mother, "I hired her, so I'll fire her."

Anita18
01-11-2011, 09:25 PM
Wow! Different generations for sure. In my time a girl was considered a gold digger if she accepted an expensive gift from someone she was not engaged to. You could never accept a gift of clothing either. Boundary issues. THe lockerrooms were full of adolescent angst at Christmas time with girls wailing about having to give back the necklace or whatever. :lol:
Well it certainly was a complicated situation. If I had been surprised with the gift of a brand-spanking new laptop sealed in its box on Christmas (the laptop was used), I would have felt a lot guiltier about it. But with the fact I did offer to pay multiple times, I figure if my bf wants me to have it, I'll let him have the satisfaction. :lol:

And I don't do jewelry. I'm all for utilitarian gifts. :P


They do to get them displayed in prominent places such as near the entrance. Those are the books most likely to catch the attention. Otherwise, they just get up on a shelf and no body will find them unless you're looking specifically for the book.
Ah that makes more sense.

Frau Muller
01-11-2011, 09:33 PM
All the genuine Faberge eggs are catalogued as there are a very limited number of them in the world. I don't think Johnny is on the list as an owner (nor is some random Japanese buyer) - the owners are known and most are in recognized collections. ....

The House of Faberge made eggs & similar decorative pieces for many aristocrats, not just the Romanovs. Johnny doesn't claim to have one of the 25 or 30 Romanov family eggs that went to the Czar and his immediate family. There definitely are other Faberge eggs of the Imperial era that come up in auctions every now and then (or even in NYC at A La Vieille Russie gallery). The Japanese fan may have bought one of those or even toured the modern House of Faberge in St. Petersburg, where fine reproductions are made using old methods. That said, all of these options are expensive, not to mention the airfare and hotel for the trip. However you cut it, that was one extravagant gift for Johnny. I hope he's taking good care of it.

marbri
01-11-2011, 09:42 PM
That's stupid. This happened years ago way before any economic decline. His first trip to Japan. How are you going to look someone, who did such an incredible thing for you, in the eye and refuse her gift?!
This is what I meant by people taking an excerpt and flipping out about it. That and turning any little anecdote into a complete justification of your opinion that he's a total bastard.

No one can deny that faking illness because he was in a snit about his costume was immature and inappropriate. And if you actually read the book (it only took me a few hours) he agrees with that assessment.

The book tells his story warts and all. He does not hold himself blameless for alot of his tribulations.

As far as Alex is concerned he said that someone had asked to have a pseudonym. I'm thinking it was Alex since he's the only possibility. Johnny complied. So the man knew he'd be in the book but not named. People have been trying to hone in on who he was for years. If you think it's uncool to snoop and figure it out then don't do it and if you do figure it out, that and a buck will get you a cup of coffee.

I don't care about the gifts. The fans who buy them do so because they want to. In one culture or generation it's poor taste to accept, in another it would be poor taste to reject. Some feel he shouldn't drop twitter hints but it doesn't concern me. If a fan is actually forking out that sort of cash for something authentic then I'll assume they can afford it, otherwise it's likely a knockoff and he doesn't see behind the shiny fake label :D

Also not interested in Alex.

What I am interested in is you say he takes responsibility NOW about his costume hissy fit but does he talk more about that season? Looked up an old interview on Goldenskate (think it was Goldenskate) where he blames a flu that took him out of both CoR and NHK. It's on his website biography as well. So if we know he lied about CoR, that he admits he lied about CoR, did he also lie about NHK???

That's a bigger deal to me than superficial things like gifts and wondering who Alex is. Because I recall quite well all the drama over Dallas and the decision to leave Weir off that Worlds team. People played it up that he was weak and unprepared after that terrible illness he got on the GP series and we know now at least half of that was untrue.

THose are the only warts I'm interested in and I have a strong feeling he hasn't spoken about all the warts that have knocked him out of competitions.

igniculus
01-11-2011, 09:44 PM
He considers his costumes as part and parcel of his performance and the story he wants to tell. He skates for the artistic element. It's what is most important to him.

Then how can for example Lambiel put on completely blank black pants and a simple shirt and still skate breathtakingly beautiful and artistic exhibitions? Artistry does not require over-the-topness. A story does not come alive by his costume: it lives in his movements, in his emotions and how they come across to the audience.

Aussie Willy
01-11-2011, 09:46 PM
Very true. And perhaps the book does suck. I haven't read it. I will. I just think alot of the people on this site based their opinions of the book on their dislike of the author and really had no idea what information the book contained except for a few quoted lines which pointed up the very things alot of these people think is so wrong about Johnny. I guess one can't be objective or fair if one has issues with him for whatever reason.

Crap. I would have been interested in reading the book as I enjoyed his TV show (which I saw clips on Youtube). And I thought he was great when he came to Australia - so nice to kids and fans. But it was just so badly written from the excerpt. It did not make me want to read the book.

Snowgirl
01-11-2011, 09:49 PM
That's a bigger deal to me than superficial things like gifts and wondering who Alex is. Because I recall quite well all the drama over Dallas and the decision to leave Weir off that Worlds team. People played it up that he was weak and unprepared after that terrible illness he got on the GP series and we know now at least half of that was untrue.

THose are the only warts I'm interested in and I have a strong feeling he hasn't spoken about all the warts that have knocked him out of competitions.

Are you sure you don't mix events? Johnny withdrew from 2003 Nats in Dallas. Was there even question about World team then? He was hampered by illness in 2009, got 5th and off the Worlds team, and there was drama about that.

Carolla5501
01-11-2011, 09:50 PM
There's always drama... it's the JW way!