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Aussie Willy
01-07-2011, 01:58 PM
I found this clip of her SP from 94 Euros and just had to post because I am sure others will like it as well. Loved the energy and attack. Plus the voidy version of Phantom with the bird calls.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmjp4czOEp4&NR=1

The Finnish judge gave her first place above Baiul.

Here is Baiul's SP.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRoVqkISQEQ

I think even with a mistake on the combo Baiul was probably the better performance. Artistically it had so much detail and worked with the music.

Still really enjoyed both of these.

poths
01-07-2011, 02:40 PM
Loved this....Markova actually finished 3rd in this competition with Butyrskaya 4th....but, NO RUSSIAN WOMEN could go to the Olympics a month later!! :fragile: Pathetic qualifying rules from the ISU

poths
01-07-2011, 02:52 PM
I know sometimes I make outrageous statements, but seriously:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POcVjSr9W9U&feature=related
^^^That's her LP at these championships. She finished 4th....She should have WON.
It was her best ever skate IMHO
All of the triples are cleaner than Baiul's, I prefer the pace of the program, better spins, MITF and more mature. JMHO
With these performances she could have medalled at Lillehamer. I think it's clear the Russian fed sold her out for Markova and IIRC it took a few years for them to give her back their support (having favoured Slutskaya post 1995).

People always said Butyrskaya was :fragile: but honestly, she had a disaster worlds debut in 1993 and a horrific LP at 1995 Euros (who didn't) but aside from that, she always got it together at the majors.

floskate
01-07-2011, 04:29 PM
I remember this competition so well. :) Markova and Bute were the clear standouts for me. Surya landed everything but was, well, Surya and Oksana wasn't in great jumping form here at all. I have to say I probably agree with Poths on this one. It would be very interesting to see this comp judged under CoP. I'm sure the result would be very different. It's just a tragedy they couldn't go to Lillehammer. :(

Kwantumleap
01-07-2011, 04:40 PM
I don't remember seeing Butyrskaya skate with such abandon. It's really impressive and unfortunate that she wasn't able to sustain that intensity and freedom throughout, but at least she won Worlds in 99. From that performance, she looked headed for a world title sooner.

Seerek
01-07-2011, 04:43 PM
I know I must have asked this before, but I'm assuming there was no last chance qualifying competition for the 1994 Olympics?

julieann
01-07-2011, 04:56 PM
Loved this....Markova actually finished 3rd in this competition with Butyrskaya 4th....but, NO RUSSIAN WOMEN could go to the Olympics a month later!! :fragile: Pathetic qualifying rules from the ISU

LOVE Markova, can't put my finger on it, I just do...

gkelly
01-07-2011, 07:14 PM
I know I must have asked this before, but I'm assuming there was no last chance qualifying competition for the 1994 Olympics?

I don't think there was.

poths
01-07-2011, 07:17 PM
I don't think there was.

I'm pretty sure the russian ladies situation at the 1994 Olympics was indeed the impetus to hold such winter qualification events

robinhood
01-07-2011, 07:39 PM
Maria was my first ever favorite lady skater, much more than Kwan or Slutskaya. with the pass of time, i developed a soft spot for Irina even though she wasn't a very musical skater but Maria remains my favorite Russian lady of all time.
She was really voidy here, but I actually love her exquisite choreographies she had later. She wasn't that much appreciated by the american media, I feel...but in europe she was beloved

casken
01-07-2011, 09:43 PM
Maria's skating was so much smoother pre 1997. She really got down into her knees better. I wonder what happened after 96 becuase her skating stiffened up so much. The difference between her Malaguena program from 96 to 97 is obvious.

Aussie Willy
01-07-2011, 11:26 PM
Here is Baiul's FS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJmcMo5uImA

And here is Markova

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mT57QERvqa0

And for good measure I have thrown in Bonaly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnw1RsxVxeQ

Interesting to rewatch all of these. Maria should have at least been on the podium with that performance, but it might have come down to the stronger technical mark. I still don't get why Bonaly was always placed as high as she was because even the spins were not that great - they travelled and didn't really flow. And her skating skills, apart from the speed, was really poor.

Actually the strongest in terms of skating stills was Markova. Really beautiful edges and transitions galore. Although technically in terms of jumps she was the weakest of the bunch.

Maria's skating skills were okay, but on her forward crossovers she was ploddy - no lightness. But she did have good control.

Baiul, whilst she probably used the music most effectively, actually did a lot of it standing in the one spot. It was a very clever program in that they used the changes in the music to enhance that.

Just highlights how different things were under 6.0 compared to IJS. Because if that was judged using IJS I am sure it would have been a different result.

bardtoob
01-07-2011, 11:41 PM
It irritates me that Oksana was botching the combo in the SP during the whole 93-94 season, yet the judges kept on saving room for her and giving her inflated scores.

poths
01-08-2011, 02:45 PM
Just seen how fecked up the ordinals were :eek:

Markova was last to skate ..

her ordinals were:

6 3 4 2 5 3 4 4 3

In essence, more had her off the podium than on. One had her 6th, one had her 2nd!! :lol:

museksk8r
01-08-2011, 02:55 PM
I know sometimes I make outrageous statements, but seriously:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POcVjSr9W9U&feature=related
^^^That's her LP at these championships. She finished 4th....She should have WON.
It was her best ever skate IMHO
All of the triples are cleaner than Baiul's, I prefer the pace of the program, better spins, MITF and more mature. JMHO
With these performances she could have medalled at Lillehamer. I think it's clear the Russian fed sold her out for Markova and IIRC it took a few years for them to give her back their support (having favoured Slutskaya post 1995).

People always said Butyrskaya was :fragile: but honestly, she had a disaster worlds debut in 1993 and a horrific LP at 1995 Euros (who didn't) but aside from that, she always got it together at the majors.

Yes, sucky reputation judging at its 6.0 worst. This would be the story of Masha's career though. She is perhaps arguably the most wuzrobbed ladies singles skater in history. :EVILLE: judges!