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allezfred
01-09-2011, 03:04 PM
Having looked at the SPs, I'd still have Baiul in first. :shuffle:

MichaelK
01-09-2011, 08:18 PM
I have always wanted to know what Maria did (or did not do) at her infamous debut at Worlds 93 to place so poorly in Qualifying. Does anybody have any info on what she tried (and likely failed) or a video?

Seerek
01-09-2011, 08:33 PM
I have always wanted to know what Maria did (or did not do) at her infamous debut at Worlds 93 to place so poorly in Qualifying. Does anybody have any info on what she tried (and likely failed) or a video?

The results of Maria's qualifying group were

Chen
Baiul
Kiellmann
Preston
Szewczenko
Bo Zhang
Leray
Claeys
Kulovaná
Szwed
Krieg
Torp-Lind
**** CUT OFF POINT for Qualifying *****
Yaginuma
Lee
Butyrskaya


Maria probably landed at most 2 triples to not qualify vs. the women on the lower rungs of that list (who only had triple toe loops and triple salchows in their repertoire)

Karpenko
01-09-2011, 09:52 PM
Wow I loved Butyrskaya's LP at this competition! I never had any idea she was so good that year, definitely the best LP that year IMO.

skateboy
01-10-2011, 07:59 PM
Maria's skating was so much smoother pre 1997. She really got down into her knees better. I wonder what happened after 96 becuase her skating stiffened up so much.

That's exactly what I noticed.

gkelly
01-10-2011, 09:43 PM
I thought she made a good effort at getting (back?) more softness in this performance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVt3I4IL18s

judgejudy27
01-11-2011, 03:38 AM
Maria would have defended her World title in 2000 with her free skate from the 94 Europeans IMO. She might have come 2nd in the LP phase to Kwan but that would have still been enough to win overall with the factored placings. Of course by 2000 she was a name whereas in 1994 she was a nobody in the judges eyes which explains her scores and non podium finish.

poths
01-11-2011, 05:35 PM
Maria would have defended her World title in 2000 with her free skate from the 94 Europeans IMO. She might have come 2nd in the LP phase to Kwan but that would have still been enough to win overall with the factored placings. Of course by 2000 she was a name whereas in 1994 she was a nobody in the judges eyes which explains her scores and non podium finish.
What were the SP results in 2000?
Butyrskaya- Slutskaya - ??? - Kwan - Gusmeroli - Volchkova? /Sebeteyen??

Sedge
01-11-2011, 05:44 PM
What were the SP results in 2000?
Butyrskaya- Slutskaya - ??? - Kwan - Gusmeroli - Volchkova? /Sebeteyen??

SP Results
Butyrskaya
Slutskaya
Kwan
Gusmeroli
Hughes
Nikodinov
Sebestyen
Volchkova

The protocol has that crazy triangular matrix of results from the 'one by one' scoring system...sheesh..I had forgotten how that looked.

Squibble
01-11-2011, 05:46 PM
Butyrskaya
Slutskaya
Kwan
Gusmeroli
Hughes
Nikodinov
Sebestyen
Volchkova

But, remember, there was a Qualifying Round, and of the seven mentioned above, only Butyrskaya and Sebestyen were in Qualifying Round "A."

http://www.eiskunstlauf-ecke.de/archiv/1999-00/wm00.shtml

judgejudy27
01-11-2011, 05:48 PM
What were the SP results in 2000?
Butyrskaya- Slutskaya - ??? - Kwan - Gusmeroli - Volchkova? /Sebeteyen??

The SP results in 2000 were:

1. Butyrskaya
2. Slutskaya
3. Kwan
4. Gusmeroli
5. Hughes

In the qualifying round though Kwan was 2nd to Slutskaya in her pool and Butyrskaya won the other pool.

Sorry I didnt realize others had already answered.

poths
01-11-2011, 07:22 PM
Thanks. I remember now, the uneven qualification, Kirkegaard, Sebesteyen and DOuchine placing really high as a result and Gusmeroli losing her chance of medal because of it.
Cheers