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TAHbKA
01-02-2011, 01:48 PM
About Gerboldt/Enbert, Arthur Drmitriev jr. (http://www.rian.ru/interview_sport/20101230/315531159.html) By Andrey Simonenko

The main sensation of the Russian nationals in Saransk were the Gerboldt/Enbert's making it to the team. The pair was created from the ex single skater and the Universiade 2009 medalist managed to come 4th and will participate the Europeans in Bern. The success doesn't make their coach - the two time Olympic Champion Arthur Dmitriev over optimistic. In the interview by Andrey Simonenko from r-sport he is quite strict about his son's leaving the coach

AS: Arthur, about two months ago you said you understand Katarina and Alexandr's odds to make it to the team are close to nill.

AD: And I stand behind my words. We are going to the Europeans only because our rivals skated badly. That's it.

AS: So strict? How about the progress in their elements? The throws? In Saranks Katarina landed much more than she did at the Autumn.

AD: It's not about the throws. By the way, technically she've been ready for a while. Just that they lacked experience, so she failed them. Towards the Nationals the guys were in a much better shape and gained some experience. On the other hand she failed the 3S. Landed the throw but missed the jump. I mean - everything is freshly sued and tears all the time. And of course, we have to admit - had the others skated clean we would be 5th. But we were given a chance to be higher and we took it.

AS: Think you are underestimating - it was a different skating they showed here and before. Isn't it?

AD: Well, we were working all the time, of course. So the hard work payed off.

AS: How important the Europeans are now? It would be a shame not to use the chance and during the 1st year of the pair's existence.

AD: Ironically, the Europeans will be much easier for them than the Nationals. There will be less strong rivals than in Russia. And they have nothing to loose in Bern, while in Saransk there was quite alot at sake.

AS: What do you mean nothing to loose? What about a chance to participate the worlds? Don't you assume for a second if they skate well in Bern they might be sent to Japan?

AD: No, I don't. I don't think their skating in Bern will change the Federation's decision.

AS: Even if they beat Bazarova/Larionov?

AD: Well, I do believe in miracles, but not to such an extent. I mean - if Bazarova/Larionov will fail all of their elements and my pair will do everything clean, then may be, otherwise - no chance.

AS: The timing of Enbert's army service is really bad - it falls on their Europeans. When was he drafted?

AD: At the Autumn. He is serving in the inner forces (am not sure what exactly is it). He spent several days in the army barracks. Thanks to the St. Petersburg sports committee support he was able to take his oath as a team member of the country and then was released to train. He has to serve on 30/12-4/1 and be there for at least another week, but we don't know for sure yet.

AS: Wasn't it possible to release him during such an important stage of his career?

AD: There is a chance. We sent the letters to the Ministry of Defense signed by ministry of Sports, the heads of Figure skating Federation etc. I hope they will take things into an account. Besides, their qualifying to the Europeans should be counted as well.

AS: I'd like to hear your thoughts on the skating of another pair from your group - Yuko Kawaguti/Alexandr Smirnov. Do you think their not so brilliant skates are due to all their summer injuries?

AD: Yes, of course. They are still not in their usual shape. And my personal opinion they'll only gain the shape towards March and the Worlds. Of course they are getting better with the season, they are better, I can see that, but they are still far from being 100%.

AS: Will the more or less failure in Saranks spoil Kawaguti/Smirnov's chances to be judged fairly at the Worlds? I mean the known fact the pair n.1 title now belongs to Volosozhar/Trankov, though the difference between them is not that huge...

AD: Everything will depend on how ready they are. Volosozhar/Trankov will not participate the Europeans, while Kawaguti/Smirnov will gain the experience and participate in Bern. We'll see how things go towards the worlds.Most importantly now there are many interesting and very different pairs in Russia. And all of them are top class.

AS: 7 pairs.

AD: And it's wonderful. I always said it's nice winning when the field is strong. Especially when so much work is done - am talking now about Gerboldt/Enbert. It's just that we were given a chance a bit earlier than we expected.

AS: Are you worried they might get star-sickness?

AD: No. What am I here for? If needed - I can put them back on the ground and fast. Within half an hour, I'd say

AS: Did you ever have to?

AD: No, not yet.

AS: Another issue I'd like to talk about - your son's Arthur Dmitriev jr. participation in the Nationals. After the SP he was 2nd with a minor difference from the leader, but he didn't hang on at the LP. Was it the pressure?

AD: No. I think it's the coaches switch he went through recently - switching from Alexey Mishin to Elena Buyanova-Vodorezova. Of course it's all very complicated. Arthur've been skating with the new coach for just three weeks. He still skates the same programmes choreographed by Mishin. They didn't even come up with the common language with the new coach yet, and it's very important. It's a process that takes at least half a year. Besides, Arthur is not yet the top class skater, who can change things so rapidly. We'll see how things work out, but right now the lack of communication between the skater and the coach is obvious.

AS: How did you take his parting with Mishin and moving to Buyanova?

AD: Badly. Really badly. I think one doesn't betray his coach, especially such a coach as Mishin. But that's my personal opinion.

AS: Did you try to talk him out?

AD: Yes, I did, but, unfortunately, it was too late. It was decided by my ex-wife (Tatiana Druchinina) and him. I couldn't defer the decision.

AS: Arthur jr. explains his switch by the lack of attention: Mishin is mainly working with Gachinsky...

AD: You know, you can explain anything. When I will try to explain you something I'll come up with a million of truthful reasons, and they all will be truthful. Again, not the truth, but truthful.

AS: I.e. they will sounds plausible?

AD: Yes.

AS: Another question I can't avoid: six years ago you organized an ice show in St. Petersburg. Do you think of going back to producing shows?

AD: No, I have the followers - Ilya Averbukh, Zhenia Pluschenko. Many guys who skated in my shows remember those days with warmth. It was cool to organize shows on such a high level after the long break.

AS: Why wasn't it successful? Was it not yet the time for `The Ice Age'?

AD: No, I just didn't have money for it. Am a poor man. It's as easy as that

AS: Does your work make you happy?

AD: Yes, I'm glad I work as a coach and indeed happy. I've been doing it my whole life.

AS: Do you see your coaching future in Tamara Moskvina's team?

AD: Yes, absolutely. There are no other options. Our team is really strong and it's not only my opinion. Our rivals agree.

Sedge
01-02-2011, 02:21 PM
. In general, the important thing now is that we have in Russia now, a lot of interesting couples who do not like each other. And besides all - high class.

Google mechanical translates one piece of text this way.
I wonder if that is really what he meant or if it means "a lot of interesting couples all of them different".

I look forward to your translation Tabkha

vmfan89
01-02-2011, 04:58 PM
Thank you Tabhka!

I have a question about when they talk about Enbert's army service. Is this mandatory for all men in Russia or is Enbert part of the army? How does it work exactly?

Cherub721
01-02-2011, 05:03 PM
Wow, he is tough, isn't he...

TAHbKA
01-02-2011, 05:34 PM
I have a question about when they talk about Enbert's army service. Is this mandatory for all men in Russia or is Enbert part of the army? How does it work exactly?
Am not 100% sure, but as far as I know those men who go to the uni don't serve in the army (at least not immediately), so it might be the reason many Russian skaters are in the Sports uni.
Am also not certain how skating in TSKA which is the army club works exactly.
And if am not mistaken Enbert is not the first skater to be drafted - a couple of years ago it was erm.. can't remember who - one or two of the usual blond pups - Griazev? Borodulin? Menshov? Someone of that crowd.. And again, if am not mistaken the army service was the reason Kulik didn't come back to Russia till he was out of the drafting age.


Wow, he is tough, isn't he...
Am a bit :huh: on the Dmitriev jr part....

Cherub721
01-02-2011, 05:40 PM
Am a bit :huh: on the Dmitriev jr part....

Sounds like a bad divorce. His ex-wife took part in the decision, therefore it's wrong and immoral. I'm sorry Artur Jr is caught in the middle of that, and publicly to boot.

caseyedwards
01-02-2011, 05:44 PM
He does seem tough! "Maybe if B/L fail all their elements" will G/E beat them! LOL! And about Dmitriev Jr maybe the Russian word that was translated as betray is less harsh than that? He really opposed Dmitriev decision to move and is not shy about saying it!

Michalle
01-02-2011, 08:57 PM
I think he just grew up in the old-school... he was a real product of the Soviet training system... remember his dismay in '92 at not having the Soviet flag when he and Mishkutenok won? I don't think they switched coaches back in those days...

Civic
01-02-2011, 09:25 PM
I think he just grew up in the old-school... he was a real product of the Soviet training system... remember his dismay in '92 at not having the Soviet flag when he and Mishkutenok won? I don't think they switched coaches back in those days...

Michalle hit the nail on the head, imo. Artur Sr. is from the old school. He joined Tamara Moskvina's group when he was 16 years old and stuck with her throughout his eligible career. He had to compete with Oleg Vassiliev, Denis Petrov and Anton Sikharulidze among others for Moskvina's time and attention. He probably feels that his son ahould be willing to compete with Artur Gachinsky for Mishin's time and attention.

Yehudi
01-03-2011, 12:55 PM
Artur sr has never been one to mince words. If he thinks his partner is fat, he'll go out and say it. He said in the past his son was a dunce when he tried to coach him so his critiques aren't surprising

Asli
01-03-2011, 02:59 PM
Sounds like a bad divorce. His ex-wife took part in the decision, therefore it's wrong and immoral.

Where did that come from? That's not what he says at all.



AS: How did you take his parting with Mishin and moving to Buyanova?

AD: Badly. Really badly. I think one doesn't betray his coach, especially such a coach as Mishin. But that's my personal opinion.

AS: Did you try to talk him out?

AD: Yes, I did, but, unfortunately, it was too late. It was decided by my ex-wife (Tatiana Druchinina) and him. I couldn't defer the decision.

Thanks for the translation, TAHbKA! :) Indeed he sounds very severe. I feel for Artur Dmitriev Jr. Whatever he achieves in figure skating, his father will have achieved more before him. To add insult to injury, he doesn't even have a first name of his own. :(

let`s talk
01-03-2011, 03:12 PM
I have a question about when they talk about Enbert's army service. Is this mandatory for all men in Russia or is Enbert part of the army? How does it work exactly?
Military service of 1 year is mandatory for all men 18-27yo, except those who chose the alternative civil service (based on religion or moral reasons, also available for Nothern indigenous people of Russia, 1.5 year, mainly in hospitals, care centers, orphanages, as builders, etc.). In fact there is a long list of those who cannot be drafted: men with health issues (the second most popular reason), being a uni/postgradute/doctorate student (the first most popular reason), being the only guardian of disable parent/grandparent/sibling or of an underage sibling, being a single parent, having two kids or more, having a disable child under three, done military service in another country, permanently living abroad, being a son/brother of a military who was killed in action, being arrested/convicted or under the criminal investigation, etc. There is one more way to "escape" the army service- a fancy bribe to a local military boss. No statistics on that. :lol:
Still men in most cases listed above can get only a "delay," and, for example, after the uni graduation they have to join the army. But many universities (not all) have so-called "military chairs." It's some kind of division or a faculty in the uni where boys go through some military crap while being at home and keep studying. After the uni graduation they don't have to join the army.

Am also not certain how skating in TSKA which is the army club works exactly. The CSKA is in Moscow. Probably you mean the local St-Petersburg SKA based in Yubileiny. If he is a member of any local SKA or the CSKA, it means he is in the army (SKA stands for "sport army club). They are free to do with him what they wish, which in reality means he will keep skating and training as an "army member", not just a regular skater, but occasionally he has to visit some real military services. I am not sure I follow the chronology of the events that Dmitriev briefly described. My understanding is that in autumn Enbert was drafted like a regular guy to the Internal Troops, then the FS people started the paper work and blah-blah, resulted in his being "moved" from one division to another and ended up in SKA.
And about Dmitriev Jr maybe the Russian word that was translated as betray is less harsh than that?
No, the Russian word is not less harsh and means exactly what betrayal means.

barbk
01-03-2011, 04:28 PM
Setting aside Dmitriev, Jr., Artur sounds very pragmatic, and definitely not over-promising on Gerboldt/Enbert, no claims of politiking, things take time. I think that's a very good thing. TAHbKA -- thank you very, very much for the translation.

Rock2
01-03-2011, 05:53 PM
I just love how Russians and Eastern Europeans are just blunt and direct. Being Eastern Euro I understand the culture well enough. Part of it is, sure, Soviet, hard azzed training style, but a lot of it is that these countries are different socially than North America.

Here, we spend so much time building the self esteem of the kids, avoiding directness by couching everything we say as to not offend. The downside is that we end up looking like we promote and celebrate mediocrity, while we're emotionally fragile and have little desire to achieve. Most countries are not like US and Canada in this way. They are direct in how they work and they don't really put up with hyper-sensitivity. If your kid's lazy he's lazy...he doesn't "occasionally lack motivation" or whatever. It's said clearly, and you just deal.

So it does seem harsh, but personally I just love the direct style. I think it's generally well-intentioned, although it makes Russians look cold in American media.

Simone411
01-03-2011, 06:17 PM
I just love how Russians and Eastern Europeans are just blunt and direct. Being Eastern Euro I understand the culture well enough. Part of it is, sure, Soviet, hard azzed training style, but a lot of it is that these countries are different socially than North America.

Here, we spend so much time building the self esteem of the kids, avoiding directness by couching everything we say as to not offend. The downside is that we end up looking like we promote and celebrate mediocrity, while we're emotionally fragile and have little desire to achieve. Most countries are not like US and Canada in this way. They are direct in how they work and they don't really put up with hyper-sensitivity. If your kid's lazy he's lazy...he doesn't "occasionally lack motivation" or whatever. It's said clearly, and you just deal.

So it does seem harsh, but personally I just love the direct style. I think it's generally well-intentioned, although it makes Russians look cold in American media.

I have just one question. What rock have you been hiding under?