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skatingfan26
12-14-2010, 02:34 PM
Tessa Virtue back on the blades
http://www.torontosun.com/sports/othersports/2010/12/13/16538486.html

According to this article they plan to skate in the Winter Dreams on Ice show this Sunday night at the John Labatt Centre. If they really skate there they'll have no choice than to skate at Worlds 2011, except they cite a relapse of Tessa's injury for example, AFAIK. (Remember what happened to Plushenko)

Rock2
12-14-2010, 03:56 PM
:rofl: D/W might have an edge but the french !!! I like the french team but come on !

They are the olympic champion, and I really doubt the judges are going to make them lose against the french "this year" since World isn't even in France. Let's be honest, even if V/M are at 70-75% of their usual form, they are still better than the rest, except D/W.

Oh I hear you, really.
I haven't been a fan of the french, but I do feel they have improved a lot. I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt while not laying too much onto Tessa and Scott in terms of expectations.

They may go to nationals just to get out there. But really I would see 4CC as their first real comp to prep for worlds.

tapper88
12-14-2010, 04:05 PM
Pani, they definitely want to skate and compete this season. They've said so. And Scott did say something about having a "long career". As for next season, because of the break with the injury, I am (almost) sure they will want to compete.

Dragonlady
12-14-2010, 04:26 PM
According to this article they plan to skate in the Winter Dreams on Ice show this Sunday night at the John Labatt Centre. If they really skate there they'll have no choice than to skate at Worlds 2011, except they cite a relapse of Tessa's injury for example, AFAIK. (Remember what happened to Plushenko)

V&M are in no danger of losing their eligibibility if they skate in this show. They're not skipping an ISU competition they were supposed to be participating in to do this show, and if the consent of Skate Canada was required, they or the orgranizers involved are astute enough to get one.

Plushenko was suspended because he bailed out of Worlds due to injury and then skated his Kings on Ice tour which was taking place at approximately the same time as the event he was too injured to skate. Not the same thing at all.

DORISPULASKI
12-14-2010, 04:30 PM
They've been very consistent about saying they want to continue competing, but I think they said they are making the decision on a year by year basis?

The big question, both for Tessa's health (less training), and for doing well at Worlds (more training), is how much training per day can she do without reinjuring herself. And that's just not known, and won't be known, until they try.

This year has had challenges for all the teams, particularly the Short Dance.
Their programs were done before Tessa's surgery, so what the S&Z team learned from having their students compete the SD won't have been incorporated strongly into V&M's SD. For one thin, the choice of Waltz/Tango has not been a winner this year for teams that tried it.

I tried rewatching their Golden at last year's World's, but the video was so badly shot that it was difficult to tell what GW levels they would have gotten if Worlds had been competed under this year's rules for assigning levels. In general, the Shpilband teams have concentrated more on speed and the character of the dance, and timing than the exact specification for 8 particular parts of the dance. This affected D&W a lot and took all the way till the GPF for them to achieve level4's in both GW segments. I would expect that V&M would have less trouble, having a more generally precise technique than D&W, but there are definitely going to be a couple spots; certainly getting low enough with the leg parallel to the ice in the first segment may be hard on Tessa's leg, and the cascade section in the second segment may require some work from them, too. I can't tell you whether their foot positions in their Choctaws are exactly right per this year's spec (D&W's weren't). If they aren't, some significant work to relearn them may be required.

Furthermore to get level 4 on their twizzles, they will either have to do a different entry (1/2 rev jumps have been popular) or they will have to do 3 sets. Again, something that will require some training time. I presume Scott has worked on his though already, and AFAIR, hasn't he been the one to make a mistake in the twizzles rather than Tessa? My memory isn't that great...

I think their biggest challenge will be the same as the other teams': scoring well in the SD.

pani
12-14-2010, 05:15 PM
Doris, maybe now they challenge is having funn form skating :)

MarieM
12-14-2010, 05:25 PM
Furthermore to get level 4 on their twizzles, they will either have to do a different entry (1/2 rev jumps have been popular) or they will have to do 3 sets. Again, something that will require some training time. I presume Scott has worked on his though already, and AFAIR, hasn't he been the one to make a mistake in the twizzles rather than Tessa? My memory isn't that great...

To be clear, none of the Zueva/Spilband team knows the CD as they should be done. Which is a good point about the SD is that they HAD to learn it properly this time around.
Tessa and Scott are amazingly good at CDs considering that, but in general and compared to the standard I still want to see : they suck like 98% of the current ice dancers !

VarBar
12-14-2010, 05:57 PM
Tessa and Scott are amazingly good at CDs considering that, but in general and compared to the standard I still want to see : they suck like 98% of the current ice dancers !

Which are the 2% that don't suck in your opinion, could you please give me their names? Thank you in advance.:)

Bue
12-14-2010, 06:59 PM
Doris, I think you're absolutely correct that the SD will be the weak point. Everyone has struggled and V/M will be at a big disadvantage from not having taken theirs for a spin yet.


If V/M were to compete at Worlds this year I imagine they would be at only about 75-80% like when they barely took bronze at the 2009 Worlds even in a field were nearly all the top teams were riddled by injuries (and the defending World winners and favorites that year didnt even skate). Given that I as well expect not only would they be nowhere near D/W but they would probably lose to P/B as well and finish around 3rd or 4th. Of course at 95-100% they would do fare better then that but I doubt that is what we would see. That is also why I highly doubt they will compete at Worlds knowing they wont be near their best. They will return next season when they are back at their best and feel able to challenge/beat D/W.

But places 1-4 at that comp were highly questionable. I'm not sure if Tessa and Scott were ever going to come higher than third that year given the return of the more senior teams D/S and B/A to competition. And this season has been so riddled with injuries, program issues and downright bad performances so far, that it would be an absolute shock to me if they finished off the podium. To me it seems as good a time as any to come back, because the level of skating overall has been quite poor.

DORISPULASKI
12-14-2010, 07:08 PM
Doris, maybe now they challenge is having funn form skating :)

This is true; and I hope if they want to compete this year, they will. I still want to see their Latin FD :cool:

Bue, I agree, this is as good a time as any to come back. I too find it hard to believe they would be off the podium, even if their programs weren't quite up to snuff as to technical levels. Based on their OGM and past excellent programs, I expect to see them get Chantastic PCS there.

pani
12-14-2010, 07:37 PM
This is true; and I hope if they want to compete this year, they will. I still want to see their Latin FD :cool:

Bue, I agree, this is as good a time as any to come back. I too find it hard to believe they would be off the podium, even if their programs weren't quite up to snuff as to technical levels. Based on their OGM and past excellent programs, I expect to see them get Chantastic PCS there.

But they are really good in PCS compare to other competitiors. And i think Chan was really greate at GPF and he made quad from steps and even 4+3 from step

Bue
12-14-2010, 08:49 PM
Based on their OGM and past excellent programs, I expect to see them get Chantastic PCS there.

:lol: Yes, Chantastic scoring is definitely not confined to the men's competition!

neptune
12-14-2010, 10:51 PM
Bue, I agree, this is as good a time as any to come back.

Incidentally, if B&A wanted to come back, this would be as good a time as any for them too. ;) It seems that D&W will win Worlds this year, but in such a depleted field, would their victory really mean any more than B&A's two silvers?

DORISPULASKI
12-14-2010, 11:57 PM
Don't be silly.

A World Championship is a World Championship. A world silver is not.

Did K&O's world championship get an asterisk because Grishuk wasn't there?

Did U&Z's world championship get an asterisk because K&P weren't there?

Did K&P's world championship get an asterisk because B&B weren't there?

Did B&B's world championship get an asterisk because T&D weren't there?

And so on.

When in 2008 Delobel and Schoenfelder won their one and only World Championship, when Dubruiel & Lauzon, Drobiazko & Vanagas, Navka & Kostamarov, Denkova & Staviyski and Grushina & Goncharov, Fusar Poli & Margaglio, not to mention Chait & Sakhonovsky all were not there (all of whom were competing in 2006 in the top ten), and Belbin and Agosto had a fall in the CD, would you put an asterisk beside their win?

Now that's what I'd call a depleted field. It was so depleted that the relatively new senior team of Virtue and Moir finished second. Worse (from the asterisk point of view), they finished ahead of Delobel & Schoenfelder in the FD...

While the GPF was certainly a depleted field, by Worlds, the Kerrs, Faiella & Scali, and Capellini & Lanotte will all be back.

Probably V&M will be too. So the only missing teams in the top ten from Worlds 2010 will be number 6, the Zaretskis, and possibly number 9, Samuelson & Bates. Should V&M's 2010 world championship have an asterisk? Only if so, should D&W win the 2011 world championship, and it's by no means certain, since V&M seem to skate very well with minimal training, have an asterisk.

But if B&A want to come back, I'd be all for it! Why not? I'm loving their pro programs this year.

neptune
12-15-2010, 12:17 AM
A World Championship is a World Championship. A world silver is not.


Well, a lot of skating fans sure minimize Yuka's victory in 1994 and Kimmie's in 2006. ;) In the end, I think it all depends on the quality of the skating, and D&W definitely have that going for them.