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bek
12-12-2010, 10:41 PM
I think its worth mentioning to that Adelina and Elizaveta are competiting against a much deeper Junior field than I think the American girls were competiting in. This was one of the deepest junior fields in years IMO.

pinky166
12-13-2010, 02:27 AM
in an article some years ago it was written that when she was picked by Mishin team in a local event, they checked parents height, body type, and potential grown up height , they used to do it in my gymnastics team also

Mine too! They said my parents were borderline too tall and they are like 5'3" and 5'10" so not tall at all. I actually don't think it's that uncommon. Also Liza is very short and tiny now so I'd be surprised if she ever ended up that tall or big boned. It seems like a lot of skaters who are peanuts as young teenagers grow to be average height/size (Mirai, Caroline, Mao, Christina, etc) but none of them end up as amazons, not even by skating standards. For both girls future weight gain will potentially the bigger issue than growing too tall, but the way those girls train that shouldn't be much of a problem either.

Seerek
12-13-2010, 04:01 AM
Any ideas as to whether the technical caller in senior competition (assuming a little more stricter) might affect their 3-3s being ratified (or not)?

Also, I'm not sure if the judges will scale down their component scores relative to the other skaters once they move to senior..

oleada
12-13-2010, 04:06 AM
Any ideas as to whether the technical caller in senior competition (assuming a little more stricter) might affect their 3-3s being ratified (or not)?

I don't know, to be honest. I can't comment on Tuktamysheva's 3+3, but I rewatched Sotnikova's and it looked rotated for sure to me.

pinky166
12-13-2010, 04:12 AM
I think all well depend from how this girls woll have a deal with heigh problems.
Look, like Sotnikova grow up in last season on 13 cm and had problems with all jumps last season, but in this season her jumps look much better,
I think Tuktymasheva is too small now, she will grow in future- this could be a reall problem.
I think Shelepen could be on high level in Sochi, if she could save her jumps.
And look, like Muracami could have a bright future too :)

Shelepen seems so tall and ungainly right now. If she can get a coach that can package her better, maybe she can use her height and long limbs to her advantage, become a Kostner type of skater,but she's currently lacking a lot of polish and her programs are quite messy, and it's just accentuated by her gangly body build.

victoriaheidi
12-13-2010, 04:29 AM
I think the three to watch headed into 2014 are Kanako, Liza and Adelina. So yes, I think they will move over well.

Frankly, if anyone follows gymnastics, I always think of Liza/Adelina along with Viktoria Komova and Aliya Mustafina as Russia's return to dominance.

Marco
12-13-2010, 06:17 AM
So far, Sotnikova is the one to beat. She has a natural ease and elegance to her skating and is packaged very well. Tuktymasheva in contrast is extremely poorly packaged and her Plushenko-esque style is so outdated.

Still, there're 3 more years before Sochi so they have plenty of time to improve. They can't compete at senior Worlds until 2013 anyways, right?

Marco
12-13-2010, 06:32 AM
I don't know, to be honest. I can't comment on Tuktamysheva's 3+3, but I rewatched Sotnikova's and it looked rotated for sure to me.

Exactly. Sotnikova's jumps are very clean and are done withe excellent form. Let's hope the puberty monster is kind to her.

She seems to be quite consistent this season, so hopefully she isn't that big of a head case.

Kitty Hu
12-13-2010, 09:01 PM
3 year is a too long time to say something about the girls . after torino, every one mao her self included thougt she will have the best chance to win in vancouver, but Yuna got it.

orientalplane
12-13-2010, 09:07 PM
after torino, every one mao her self included thougt she will have the best chance to win in vancouver

:rolleyes: How do you know what Mao thought?

pinky166
12-14-2010, 12:29 AM
3 year is a too long time to say something about the girls . after torino, every one mao her self included thougt she will have the best chance to win in vancouver, but Yuna got it.

And let's not forget Kimmie Meissner and Caroline Zhang, also expected to be podium threats in 2010. Funny how that worked out...

miki88
12-14-2010, 12:35 AM
And let's not forget Kimmie Meissner and Caroline Zhang, also expected to be podium threats in 2010. Funny how that worked out...

Adelina and Liza are far more talented than these two though and have better technique. It's far too early to predict who's going to be the next OGM winner but I think it's very likely they will be in the running. I'm only really concerned about Liza's Mishin-style packaging but then it never detered Plushenko from reaching the top.

victoriaheidi
12-14-2010, 01:43 AM
Random Adelina question: I can't help noticing that her birthday is July 1, 1996. This would have made her 13 in time for the 2009-10 JGP, no? And hadn't she just won the Russian Nats on the senior level? Was there ever an explanation given as to why they waited a year to send her out?

falling_dance
12-14-2010, 02:15 AM
Random Adelina question: I can't help noticing that her birthday is July 1, 1996. This would have made her 13 in time for the 2009-10 JGP, no? And hadn't she just won the Russian Nats on the senior level? Was there ever an explanation given as to why they waited a year to send her out?

I wonder if that's a typo on her ISU bio; this (http://www.figureskatingonline.info/skaterbio.php?id=FSRUS21107199601) one says that her birthday is actually July 11.

Marco
12-14-2010, 03:54 AM
And let's not forget Kimmie Meissner and Caroline Zhang, also expected to be podium threats in 2010. Funny how that worked out...

I never expected them to be podium threats. They already had all sorts of technical issues back in 2006/7, and that was pre-puberty for them. And technical issues are even harder to fix during or post-puberty.

Mao and Yuna had, and these two young Russian girls have, a legitimate shot because they had/ have everything at a young age. The only variables were puberty.