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pinky166
12-12-2010, 01:19 AM
Czisny just won the GPF, Kostner came in 2nd with no flip or lutz, and Verner skated his fourth solid FS of the season there.

All three skaters made coaching changes after last season.

Czisny looks poised to medal at nationals and maybe even Worlds, and Carolina and Tomas appear to be the frontrunners for gold going into Europeans.

Is this all a coincidence that this is happening at the same time, or can it be explained. Also, will it last?

Discuss.

Squibble
12-12-2010, 02:17 AM
Didn't you get the memo?

Hell froze over. :)

dundas
12-12-2010, 03:44 AM
Koster only attempted 3s, 3t and 3lo. It's really embarrassing to see European ladies except Russians Jr. winning world/European medals with this sort of jump content.

Indra486
12-12-2010, 03:55 AM
Kostner has some sort of "excuse", given that her knee isn't holding up, though it does baffle me why she is holding off medical treatment when she needs surgery. These types of injuries don't get better on their own.

pinky166
12-12-2010, 04:11 AM
Koster only attempted 3s, 3t and 3lo. It's really embarrassing to see European ladies except Russians Jr. winning world/European medals with this sort of jump content.

Still. She had trouble landing even those jumps last season.

RD
12-12-2010, 04:22 AM
Let's see another competition through first. For Czisny at least, that happens to be....US Nationals.

dundas
12-12-2010, 04:54 AM
Still. She had trouble landing even those jumps last season.

One Kostner winning medals with those jumps was always too much in the past. We got another double-jump queen Lepisto winning a world bronze medal last year. How dreadful!! Thanks God, she's not competing this season.

Think about it. All top 6 ladies at JGPF had 7-triple programs, on the other hand, the World/European Sr. medalists can not land do a 3lutz or 3flip!!! :lol::lol:

mia joy
12-12-2010, 11:50 AM
Think about it. All top 6 ladies at JGPF had 7-triple programs, on the other hand, the World/European Sr. medalists can not land do a 3lutz or 3flip!!! :lol::lol:

Kostner can land flips and lutzes, she's just injured. She's been struggling with her jumps for quite a while, but that doesn't mean she doesn't know how to land a flip :rolleyes:

besides, I've seen many girls (Kostner included) who were incredible jumpers when still teenagers or juniors but then they grew up and the jumps went away, so who knows what happens to those JGPF ladies in a couple of years?

eleonorad
12-12-2010, 12:44 PM
I suppose I was dreaming when Kostner won 2 GPF bronze medals, 3 european titles, 1 bronze and 1 silver world medal with flip and lutz. Reading this forum looks like it actually never happened. She's a lepisto now.

As for the question, I don't think Kostner is a good example of coaching change. Frank Carroll tried to change her whole technique, which was the only thing that was working, yes she improved her spins a lot, but she lost all her best jumps and combinations. Not to mention the relationship coach/skater.
So she came back where she belongs, Oberstdorf. I actually would have liked her to try some other coach rather than Huth but I think this time it's more about feeling comfortable, close to home and more relaxed than just about the coach.

Alissa is a much better example of coaching change. I think there is no "perfect" coach, but the right coach for each, different skater and this may change during a lifetime just like one changes as a person and sporstman. Maybe this is exactly what Alissa was looking for, same goes for Tomas and it's not just about the results..it's about feeling new motivation, after year and years of skating, a refreshing approach, new enthusiasm..this is what I see in both of them!

mrinalini
12-12-2010, 03:43 PM
I think headcases like Czisny and Kostner can sneak onto a podium when competing against a depleted field in the first post-Olympic season, but to expect them to do as well at future Worlds or Olympics after this season when younger talents start to emerge and others return or become stronger is asking too much. When you have been consistently inconsistent for as long as Czisny and Kostner have, the likelihood that they'll suddenly pull it all together and not crumple at the biggest events becomes slimmer and slimmer.

In a strange way, this makes wins like Czisny's at the GPF all the more sweeter for us fans because we know it is very likely that she will never have such a victory again.

briancoogaert
12-12-2010, 08:44 PM
Kostner has some sort of "excuse", given that her knee isn't holding up, though it does baffle me why she is holding off medical treatment when she needs surgery. These types of injuries don't get better on their own.
Excuse or not, Carolina and Laura have the best skating in Europe. I don't see any problem with one of them winning without the big tricks. ;)

And back to the topic, I don't see it as a renaissance. Just that Carolina, Alissa and Tomas are now old enough to bear the pressure, maybe.

pinky166
12-12-2010, 08:50 PM
And back to the topic, I don't see it as a renaissance. Just that Carolina, Alissa and Tomas are now old enough to bear the pressure, maybe.

And maybe mature enough to accept that their old coaching situations weren't working and bite the bullet and make a coaching change ;)

eleonorad
12-12-2010, 09:27 PM
When you have been consistently inconsistent

LOL :lol: very appropriate expression!

ninadel
12-13-2010, 07:41 AM
I think that the olympics create a logical retirement point for most skaters, which probably makes them more reflective and gives the ones who stay a sense of renewed commitment.

A common theme for these three seems to be a desire to rekindle a genuine love for skating, which means less freaking out about competition results and the burden of their natural talent. Let's hope the clean streak continues!

Finnice
12-13-2010, 08:42 AM
We got another double-jump queen Lepisto winning a world bronze medal last year. How dreadful!! Thanks God, she's not competing this season.

:lol::lol:

She will. Just to irritate you.:barrel