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Beefcake
12-09-2010, 07:45 PM
Having just returned from a cross-country trip, the increasingly torturous task of traveling via airplane is fresh on my mind. Hotbed for cold and flu viruses. Lots of unmentionable odors. Dirty seat trays and pockets. Bad in-flight movies. (For chrissakes, why do I always get Julia Roberts movies?)

My biggest complaint is that unless I luck into an empty seat beside me, my back ends up wrecked due to [first, my mother's old mattresses, but also] 1) the lack of good lumbar support in the seat backs, and 2) the fact that the now-usually 100% full flights mean there's a person in the middle seat who owns both his armrests. If he's not conducive to allowing me to squeeze my arm in (i.e. the case during both of my 4-hour flights on a 757 last week), I end up sitting off kilter, my homeless arm too close to my side, or what-not ... and lose proper overall posture. Ergo, my back is shot.

The subject of this CNN article - Air rage: Is reclining your seat a right? (www.cnn.com/2010/TRAVEL/12/09/reclining.seat.rant/index.html?hpt=C2) is, alas, getting more attention than my :drama: issue.

I "do" look back to ascertain whether the person behind me will be disadvantaged if I recline, and then I recline only about 50% of the would-be allowable. However, I've got to admit that if I've got someone behind me aggressively pre-preventing me from reclining (knees pushing so much that I'm piked forwardare), I will recline just for the principle of it.

As for others, does the person in front of you generally slam back their seats the moment the "ding" sounds. Sometimes happens to me. Voila!, I've got a head in my lap! 'Sir, is this considered foreplay, or are you expecting a temple massage or something?'

To those who are :soapbox: "no recline! not here! not ever!", I say "shut up!". Plane seats are generally much too upright for comfort (or slumber). A good -- and I'd think relatively low-cost -- remedy would be for airlines to adjust the reclining capability of its seats to something less intrusive to passengers' back neighbors. As for new planes, I'm :respec: over the airline cited in this article which "pre-reclines" its seats.

What are your thoughts about the to recline or not to recline issue ... as they are?

UMBS Go Blue
12-09-2010, 07:54 PM
As a frequent flier with elite status on United (http://www.united.com/page/middlepage/0,6998,1164,00.html) and American, I have priority for exit row seats, and in United's case, "economy plus" seats with lots of legroom or, better yet, unlimited domestic upgrades. :P If I'm stuck in coach, then depending on plane type, you can always find me in 11D (http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/United_Airlines/United_Airlines_Airbus_A320.php), 16D (http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/United_Airlines/United_Airlines_Boeing_757-200_A.php), 18D (http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/American_Airlines/American_Airlines_Boeing_757-200.php), 21D (http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/American_Airlines/American_Airlines_MD-80.php), or 14D (http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/American_Airlines/American_Airlines_Boeing_737-800.php). :P With so much legroom, I don't mind if the person in front of me reclines.

Anti-recline clips that work only if your tray is down:
http://www.kneedefender.com/html2/buy.htm

I usually don't recline unless it's an overnight red-eye, in which case everyone in the plane is reclining and snoozing anyway. In any case, I'll look back and see if the person behind me is already reclined or dozing off before reclining. If I see that the person is working on a laptop, reading something, or working on something, then I usually won't recline, or at least I'll make eye contact and ask first.

KatieC
12-09-2010, 07:57 PM
I too like to recline, but not generally the whole way down. And I will try to ensure I don't inconvenience anyone behind me. That also means I sit up while food is being served and eaten. Nothing worse than having your meal under your chin! Thank heavens I mostly take 2 hour flights, and the much rarer long ones I've been lucky and had a wall behind me.

triple_toe
12-09-2010, 08:13 PM
I generally don't recline because it bugs me when the person in front of me does. I figure it's more inconvenient for the person behind me if I recline, than it is for me if I don't. But I also don't understand why the seats have to be so tiny and close together. I can't afford first class, but would be willing to pay a little more, say $50-$100, if airlines took out a couple of rows of seats to make more room. I understand that would be a huge hassle, and is never going to happen though...

BittyBug
12-09-2010, 08:14 PM
Beefcake - Next time check to see if JetBlue flies your route. They're a return to the days when flying was civilized. More legroom in all their seats (although they also have seats with "Even More Legroom"), their equipment is new and clean, and all their planes have leather seats so they don't get as disgusting as other airlines. And their fares are usually the least expensive, too.

I used to fly United a lot, but their equipment is for the most part old and tired. Coach is like being in a sardine can, and their "first class" is little more than glorified coach these days.

But to your question - yes, people have the right to recline if they so choose. I once almost got into a fist fight with an unruly (rude Euro :P) passenger on a trans-Atlantic flight because he was trying to prevent me from reclining. Had to call the flight attendant.

Garden Kitty
12-09-2010, 08:15 PM
If I'm on a long flight and plan to sleep, I'll recline the seat a little, but not all the way unless I'm in the "extra leg room" seats and the person behind me has enough room to not be impacted. On shorter flights, I'm mostly reading and generally don't recline the seat.

UMBS Go Blue
12-09-2010, 08:16 PM
Having just returned from a cross-country trip, the increasingly torturous task of traveling via airplane is fresh on my mind. Hotbed for cold and flu viruses. Lots of unmentionable odors. Dirty seat trays and pockets. Bad in-flight movies. (For chrissakes, why do I always get Julia Roberts movies?)
Four things:
* Disinfecting wipes / hand sanitizer
* Strong deodorant for yourself so you can hopefully ignore other's odors
* Bose headphones and your own entertainment / reading
* Eye shades / ear plugs

If it's a longer flight, especially an overnight flight where I plan to get some sleeping done, I'll make a grand production of disinfecting the tray, the seat, the seat belt, and the overhead vent nozzles/light buttons.

Although there was one trip I took when I was in college when I was stuck in a 747 middle seat (in a row with a gazillion other seats to jump over) in cattle class from Chicago to Hong Kong, and back, and both ways it was a non-stop Julia Roberts movie marathon. Let's just say I've had enough of her nose and bony face. :yikes:

millyskate
12-09-2010, 08:16 PM
I have arthritis and it kills me when people recline their seats. Airplanes are so small that even reclining slightly makes things grossly uncomfortable for the person behind.

There's a major problem in the design of the planes. Obviously, the aim is to pack in the maximum amount of passengers, but I did once have a deep vein thrombosis scare after I was stuck on a flight with little leg space.
Now I have to wear those ugly socks :shuffle:

UMBS Go Blue
12-09-2010, 08:18 PM
I can't afford first class, but would be willing to pay a little more, say $50-$100, if airlines took out a couple of rows of seats to make more room. I understand that would be a huge hassle, and is never going to happen though...United Economy Plus isn't just limited to elites like me. :encore:
http://www.united.com/page/article/0,6722,1314,00.html

Beefcake
12-09-2010, 08:29 PM
Three things:
* Disinfecting wipes / hand sanitizer
Yep, a staple in the Beefcake beauty case :P

* Strong deodorant for yourself so you can hopefully ignore other's odors
no no no no no no! :mitchell: Please don't do this, folks. Strong deodorants and other perfumes and ointments are the very smells I cannot take at those close quarters. Makes me dizzy and gives me Abbott face. Perfumes and other beauty products are the reason I worry more when a woman sits beside me than even a too-wide guy.

Oh, and also on my :mad: list -- smelly, gross, carry-on food from the airport! A woman last weekend actually very disgustingly ate baby back ribs in the seat behind me. I abhor the look, sound, smell, and thought of ribs for a meal. Worse, this on a redeye trip! Big Bertha began eating these ribs at 11:30 PM.


* Bose headphones and your own entertainment / reading
Yep. I seem to catch up on my Money Magazines when I fly.

UMBS Go Blue
12-09-2010, 08:44 PM
Well, OK, I meant "strong enough" or "sufficient enough" deodorant so that it doesn't overpower others, but at least you, um, notice yourself first, before noticing others. :grope: :shuffle:

And what's wrong with snuggling up to someone who's hot and also smells nice? Mile High Win-Win Situation! :grope: :shuffle:

Gazpacho
12-09-2010, 08:46 PM
I do not recline unless there is no one behind me. I have stuck to that even when almost every other person has reclined. There is nothing I can't stand more than someone reclining into my space, so I do not do it to others.

Veronika
12-09-2010, 08:50 PM
I don't recline all the way, just a bit...but I don't fly much either.

genevieve
12-09-2010, 08:51 PM
Anyone who wears perfume, aftershave, cologne or really smelly shampoo/moisturizer when travelling by air should be pushed out of the plane.

As for the seat reclining, I often do a little bit, occasionally all the way. I do understand that sometimes it impacts the person in back of me - but for most people, a slight recline isn't really going to affect them. It doesn't impact me when the person in front of me uses it unless they slam the seat all the way back.

What I hate is when people don't manage their stuff that's supposed to be stowed under the seat and it ends up in my foot space. One time my neighbor's toddler ended up under my feet for half the flight :revenge:

KatieC
12-09-2010, 08:58 PM
My poor mum once almost got left on the plane because the person in front didn't sit up once landed. She was tiny and couldn't get the guys' attention.