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carriecmu0503
02-23-2011, 05:09 PM
And now the monkey will be on Ryan's, Ross's and Dornbush's backs to retain at least two if not three spots. Given that Ryan has never performed particularly well at Worlds, and I think may not wind up competing(why bother; just walk away and move onto a professional career since cementing his legacy), Jeremy may wind up going after all.

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I want Ryan to have his "Galindo" moment and medal at Worlds!

museksk8r
02-23-2011, 05:25 PM
Honestly, the 4CC's team didn't exactly blow the competition away and in my view, the performances of Rippon, Mahbanoozadeh, and Abbott confirm that the USFSA sent the right team to Worlds.

:confused::huh: I'm not sure how you can correctly come to that conclusion until AFTER you see Bradley, Dornbush, and Miner at Worlds, particularly since Ryan's only competition this season has been Nationals and since Richard and Ross have never competed at a senior world championship before.

peibeck
02-23-2011, 05:34 PM
I doubt there is an ideal mathematical formula that can pick World teams better than Nationals can, but when you have two skaters separated by .19, and one is scoring 20-30 pts higher internationally on a regular basis, isn't it somewhat obvious who should go? To me, it is, but I see that not everyone thinks so.

Well there are mathematical formulas for COP to pimp out one's program, and Jeremy has been dinged all season for his spin levels. He would be going to Worlds if he and his team had made sure he had increased those levels. Even at 4CC this past weekend he was getting level 1s on some of his spins. :wall:

emason
02-23-2011, 07:06 PM
I'm only a fan, in no teknik whatsoever, and I'm going to get flamed for my unpopular view, but I'm tired of this insistence on "picking the best world team possible." I think a trip to worlds should be the reward for a job well done at the skater's own nationals. If the US doesn't do so well at worlds as some fans would like, so be it. There are actually other countries and other skaters entered, and I wouldn't mind seeing some of them rise up and steal the moment.

MacMadame
02-23-2011, 10:08 PM
Now, if you've spoken to many of the middle-of-the-pack skaters who don't have much going on internationally, of course they want Nationals to mean everything since it's their only prayer of getting on a World team.


Sorry to disappoint you but I talked to many skaters including some with good international results.

OnyxRose81
02-23-2011, 10:56 PM
I can't believe this discussion is still going on. Jeremy is one of my favorite skaters and initially I was gutted when he wasn't placed on the team but he didn't qualify. He has never done well at worlds or at the Olympics so I don't understand why they should skip over Miner and place Jeremy on the team, even if the points were so little between them. Jeremy is not reliable, like AT ALL. He has never even been in range of the podium at worlds. He had his chance, like everyone else. He shouldn't be held up. At this point in time, I doubt if he will ever get reliable or consistent, which is a shame because he is such a natural talent.

triple_toe
02-24-2011, 12:14 AM
Abbott should have "easily won" Nationals this year? Huh? Over Rippon, Armin, Dornbush and Bradley?


Err... yes?? :confused: Last year, Abbott beat the reigning World Champion, GPF Champion, and ultimate Olympic Gold Medallist. Johnny Weir had also recently been a world medallist and was the reigning GPF bronze medallist. Both Johnny and Evan had been having better seasons than Abbott up to this point. Actually, Nationals was the only time Jeremy was stronger than either of them.

Rippon, Dornbush, Miner, and Mahbanoozadeh had never beaten Abbott in competition leading up to this past Nationals. Rippon and Mahbanoozadeh still have yet to do so. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Bradley was the only person competing at Nationals who had ever placed ahead of Abbott, and that was four years ago when he came 2nd at Nationals to Abbott's 4th. Bradley had been training for not more than a few months, and his long at Nationals wasn't all that great. Easily beatable for Jeremy.

Compared to last year, this Nationals should have been a cakewalk. Jeremy, in spite of his boot problems, was having the best season of all the American men and was the overwhelming favourite.

And as for 4CC's confirming that the right team was sent to worlds, I stand by that statement. 4CC's showed that none of the three sent there deserve any favours from the USFSA when it comes to spots for Worlds. I don't know how the Worlds team will do, and I'm not saying they'll do better than the 3 men at 4CC's did; all I'm saying is that the American men at 4CC's hardly performed so incredibly well that they might make the USFSA question whether one (or two, or three) of them should have been put on the Worlds team instead of Miner, Dorbush, or Bradley.

jlai
02-24-2011, 12:26 AM
If anything I thought Jeremy was slightly overmarked in the free skate. In fact, the current nationals skating order, with skaters ranked #4-6 in short program going before #1-3, is highly favorable for #1-3. It is esp favorable to whoever skates last (interesting it often turns out to be the sp winner) I could be wrong, but for the last 4 years where this skating order has been in effect, the short program winner for the senior singles that skated last tended to win the free, except when skater #2 or #3 posed a strong challenge (2008 senior men, 2010 senior ladies). Interesting that Mirai wasn't skating last this year and Rachael was.

People are saying how some skaters aren't going to get the same pcs at internationals. Perhaps if nationals is held more like an ISU competiton--with judges from other countries and a skating order that isn't made for TV, we would have seen something that fans may find more "ISU-compatible". This year with so many strong free skates, I was a little puzzled over the spread of pcs over some skaters who gave the performance closest to their true potential. I think that weird skating order might have done sth to the result.

Anyway, whatever that skating order should be, Jeremy isn't going to worlds.

blue_idealist
02-24-2011, 02:41 PM
And now the monkey will be on Ryan's, Ross's and Dornbush's backs to retain at least two if not three spots. Given that Ryan has never performed particularly well at Worlds, and I think may not wind up competing(why bother; just walk away and move onto a professional career since cementing his legacy), Jeremy may wind up going after all.

I'm pretty sure Ryan will show up at Worlds. Why would he come back to skate at Nationals and have that be it? :confused:

attyfan
02-24-2011, 02:57 PM
I'm pretty sure Ryan will show up at Worlds. Why would he come back to skate at Nationals and have that be it? :confused:

If Scott Hamilton offered him a good sum to sign with SOI immediately, I suppose Ryan might have skipped Worlds. Since that didn't happen, however, I think Ryan will go to Worlds. Since he is Nat champ, I think he is jinxed, but Richard or Ross (or both) will be able to do well.

blue_idealist
02-26-2011, 03:07 PM
If Scott Hamilton offered him a good sum to sign with SOI immediately, I suppose Ryan might have skipped Worlds. Since that didn't happen, however, I think Ryan will go to Worlds. Since he is Nat champ, I think he is jinxed, but Richard or Ross (or both) will be able to do well.

I don't think he would have skipped it. What would be the point of coming back just for Nationals? Isn't the main point of going to Nationals to qualify for Worlds?

DORISPULASKI
02-26-2011, 04:02 PM
I think Ryan's main points were:

1. To satisfy his fans
2. To win Nationals if possible

I wonder if he even thought past that.

Sylvia
02-26-2011, 05:06 PM
The Skating Club of Boston is hosting a Worlds Sendoff reception for Ross Miner at 7 pm on Friday, March 4. It seems to be for SCoB members but here's the club's Contact page if any fans in the area would like to inquire about the possibility of attending: http://www.scboston.org/about/contact-us
Publicity flier: http://yfrog.com/f/gzahbgoj/

blue_idealist
02-27-2011, 07:40 PM
I think Ryan's main points were:

1. To satisfy his fans
2. To win Nationals if possible

I wonder if he even thought past that.

How could you not? All that effort to start training again and then just do one competition and leave? That would be crazy

DORISPULASKI
02-27-2011, 11:57 PM
It was only a month before US Nationals that his mother convinced him to really compete at Nationals rather than just appear and skate to vocals and do back flips & such. He was going to retire last year. Now he sees a future, but in December, I don't think he was thinking past Nationals. Having won, he's looking to Worlds and growing a "worlds" beard with Patrick Chan.