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krenseby
12-02-2010, 09:45 PM
When I looked up Cynthia Phaneuf in Wikipedia, I noticed she had a stellar Grand Prix season in 2004-2005; she won two GP medals and qualified for the Grand Prix final. Ever since then, she has never medaled at any GP event. Was her GP success that season a result of skating that was extraordinarily good by her standards or did she simply luck out?

HisWeirness
12-02-2010, 09:47 PM
Ever since then, she has never medaled at any GP event.

Attack of the puberty monster after 2005, mostly. ;)

Mucho credit :respec: to Cynthia for rebuilding her jumps afterwards and having a great 2010 Worlds.

smarts1
12-02-2010, 09:47 PM
^ Wasn't that before her growth spurt when everyone was pointing to her as the next great ladies skater?

Parsley Sage
12-02-2010, 09:48 PM
That was before she had a major growth spurt.

Sylvia
12-02-2010, 09:52 PM
Then Phaneuf missed the 2005-2006 Olympic season due to the growth spurt combined with injuries. I'm glad she perservered and became competitive again starting last season! :)

krenseby
12-02-2010, 10:08 PM
That was before she had a major growth spurt.

Hmm. Her jumps must have been spectacular back then. She won the Canadian title and beat Joannie Rochette. She's never beaten Joannie at the Canadian Championships ever again. (Of course, no idea if Joannie was as good then as she is now.)

gkelly
12-02-2010, 10:12 PM
See for yourself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I4rENGmw0M

Can't find Rochette's Canadians performance, but here's a look at her overall quality that year:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NGrlv6ZI0E

jadore
12-02-2010, 10:28 PM
Wow - seeing that Youtube video, she looks so young! I remember seeing her performance on TV at '04 Canadians and during 04-05 Grand Prix and thinking that she would be the next great female Canadian skater. It's a shame puberty/injury did such a number on her but her bounceback these past few seasons has been great to see. If she can be relatively consistent like she was at '09 4CC and this past Worlds then I see a few more good seasons coming from her.

I'm still very much on the fence about whether or not she can make the podium at say, Worlds, though, since her consistency from competition to competition (heck, from program to program like at Skate Canada) is rather questionable. But I do see an increased confidence in her from her great skate at Worlds and wish her the best for the rest of the season. I hope she can win a long-awaited 2nd title at Canadians and conquer those consistency demons!

krenseby
12-02-2010, 10:28 PM
See for yourself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I4rENGmw0M

Can't find Rochette's Canadians performance, but here's a look at her overall quality that year:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NGrlv6ZI0E

Actually, I thought that Rochette was better than Phaneuf at that point in time. Joannie may have been inconsistent, but Phaneuf's jumps were kinda awkward both on the takeoff and the landing even at their best. And Joannie's basic skating skills were much better too.

pinky166
12-02-2010, 11:35 PM
^ Wasn't that before her growth spurt when everyone was pointing to her as the next great ladies skater?

Yeah, but she didn't have just any growthspurt, it was a really major one and she lost most of her triples in the process, and then she was injured. Cynthia had quite the comeback story a few seasons ago.

Sonata
12-03-2010, 01:47 AM
From what I remember, Joannie bombed the SP and won the long over Cynthia. I also remember that Cynthia did terribly in the LP at Skate Canada - she fell several times - but won anyways. She was not particularly consistent back then either.

I found her very charming back then and her expression drew me in. But IMO her style is not as refined as some of the other skaters on the scene now (I find her hunched shoulders and some of her crossovers quite awkward) and she seems to have two main expressions: skate with mouth open or open mouth wider while moving eyebrows expressively.

It seems she is struggling with consistency, but I can see her putting it together at worlds one day and medalling. Don't know if it will be on a regular basis though.

Tony Wheeler
12-03-2010, 02:00 AM
Rochette was 5th place after the short at the 2004 Nationals. She fell on both her triple Lutz and her triple flip; she did indeed win the long, though, rotating all of her seven triples. Her only error was a step-out of the triple Lutz (this was the year she started landing the jump with the correct outside edge take-off).

As a whole, that year at Canadian Nationals was ridiculously good. Annie Bellemare finished in 4th place overall (3rd in the long) with five triple jumps completed-- two being Lutzes.

Marco
12-03-2010, 03:07 AM
I am so glad she is substantially back to her old form despite being crazily tall now for a top skater. She has a rare palmost regal resence (even back when she won Nationals for the first time) that few other skaters have.

She is one of the few that could make empty programs work because she has such excellent innate musicality and pacing.

pinky166
12-03-2010, 03:10 AM
I am so glad she is substantially back to her old form despite being crazily tall now for a top skater. She has a rare palmost regal resence (even back when she won Nationals for the first time) that few other skaters have.

She is one of the few that could make empty programs work because she has such excellent innate musicality and pacing.

Is Cynthia really crazily tall? I thought she was 5'6"? Nowadays there actually seem to be a bunch of skaters around that height - Carolina, Kiira, Agnes, Kristene Musademba, Alexe, Sarah Hecken, Joshi, Ksenia to name some.

jadore
12-03-2010, 03:34 AM
^She's 5'7"... which is above average for females but gigantic as a skater. The skaters you listed are around the same 5'6"-5'7" range as well. The tallest skater that comes to mind for me is Lucinda Ruh - 5'9", apparently. Candace Didier from France is also quite tall, her ISU profile puts her at 171 cm (so a touch over 5'7"). It's a lot harder to fully rotate jumps when you are taller and making errors are far less forgiving but the effect that longer limbs can have on the ice can be quite breathtaking (with good line, of course).

Cynthia has a wonderful presence on the ice. I do hope she works on her crossovers, though. She always has one of her arms kind of awkwardly in front of her and I find it rather distracting.