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poths
11-30-2010, 11:23 PM
In a week where Lafuente and Meite put OES ladies back on the map, I'm reminding peeps of some OES ladies' performances that could have medalled at worlds had they not been so obskure:

1. Julia Sebesteyen's LP at the 1999 European Championships: No video available, but this was by far the best performance of her career and at the time she had the biggest jumps and easily the best technical content. The judges soon began to take her seriously and whilst she was often undermarked (placing her 6th in the SP of the SLC Olympics as opposed to 2nd which is what she bltantly deserved) it was her nerves and inconsistency that eventually ruined her reutation, not her obskure country status.

2.Julia Lautowa's (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYEeH7BTwVQ)Lp at the 1997 World Championships - despite being unknown and Austrian, she still managed an 8th place finish. She later married Kostomorov who left her after an affair with Domnina...but the less said about that, the better.

3.Elina Kettunen' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sQdTSrS_i4)s 2002 LP from the European championships. Before Poykio, Korpii and Lepisto, there was Kettunen. She produced this killer perfomance at Europeans to make the Olympic team over Poykio and Drei. It proved to be a better performance than Both Kwan and SLutskaya's a month later in SLC! She finished 11th at the olympics

4. Tamara Dorofejev's FP at the the 2000 EUros. Once upon a time there were 3 Hungarians....all of whom could have medalled at worlds, if they were Russian. Dorofejev managed a 7 triple (junior but cute) killer program in 2000. Better than both Butyrskaya and Volchkova, but finished 9th. Shame she never recaptured.

5. Anna Rechnio's SP (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pmHHUPYxc8) at the World champs followed her incredible SP at worlds the previous year which followed 4 years of wilderness and fragility in the wake of an excellent 1994 where judges showed they were willing to accept her as a new challenger by placing er 10th at Lillehammer. SHe produced the finest SP of the day, only challenged by Butyrskaya. The judges weren;t so kind and she wound up 6th. Again, robbed in the FP where she was placed 7th behind a gawky Hughes, Rechnio retired without a major medal that her talent desperately deserved.


Any more suggestions?
What do we think of the the above choices and/or the current OES ladies?

oleada
11-30-2010, 11:32 PM
Future OES watch :sekret:

Ira Vannut (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qY-FqitdNN0) - she even medaled at the JGP, has a flip AND a lutz! :eek: She's old enough for Euros, she can totally make it to the 2nd last group or even the last.
Monika Simancikova - Okay, I can't find a video, but she was lovely and elegant at some JGP and finished 5th. I think she has a 3T, 3S and 3Lo. I can totally see her beating Reitmayerova.
Patricia Glescic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zll17_RNsK0) - not all that special, but can develop and seems consistent with what she has. Besides, when was the last time a decent skater came from Slovenia?

poths
11-30-2010, 11:37 PM
Patricia Glescic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zll17_RNsK0) - not all that special, but can develop and seems consistent with what she has. Besides, when was the last time a decent skater came from Slovenia?MOJCA!!!!!!!!! :D

Vannut is pretty impressive from what I've seen, she's manic and too excitable at the moment, but top 12 at euros is possible. :cheer:

Nice calls oleada!

pollyanna
12-01-2010, 01:26 AM
1. Julia Sebesteyen's LP at the 1999 European Championships: No video available, but this was by far the best performance of her career and at the time she had the biggest jumps and easily the best technical content.

Julia Sebestyen 1999 Euros LP (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLAZpEpQotE)


Future OES watch :sekret:

Monika Simancikova - Okay, I can't find a video, but she was lovely and elegant at some JGP and finished 5th. I think she has a 3T, 3S and 3Lo. I can totally see her beating Reitmayerova.

2010 Austria JGP - this video is available at FSVids, but rules there forbid it being uploaded to Youtube.

I absolutely adore Rechnio - she is one of my favorite skaters of all time. I love her strong edges and huge jumps. Love her.

I also always had a soft spot for Czech skater Lenka Kulovana (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcMeIUy3D7o), and was thrilled she skated so well at home at the 1993 Worlds. :respec:

Nmsis
12-01-2010, 01:32 AM
Future OES watch

About immediate future :
- Yrétha Silété (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9KT-cctX-w) (FRA) who could push in ahead of Méité and Marrocco at Nats (even if Marrocco should regain more and more consistency after her Osgood-Schlatter episode)
- Miriam Ziegler (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAPyY_vNjDI) (AUT) : have not heard of her this season but I like her a lot.


About future future :
- Alisson Perticheto (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTWyjCim8sc) (SUI) : she will be able to skate junior internationally next season, so this make GP possibility in 2 years and ISU senior championships in 3. Have checked one of her comp this season, she's going for 3t, 3s and 3lp (still with underrotation but she has time ahead and I'm sure the swiss federation will focus on her in the years to come).
- Anaïs Ventard (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5nBw9zuoL8) (FRA). First JGPs this season.

Ziggy
12-01-2010, 04:09 AM
I miss Zuzana Paurova > Babiakova-Paurova > Babiakova. She was totally no teknik but her Soviet waitress program was just totally rad. :D

Man it makes me so sad Anna Rechnio never won a medal. Such an awesome skater. :( And she still has her triples!

Ira Vannut has 3lutz/3loop in practice and has been very consistent all season. If she doesn't fall apart, she's easily going to crack the top 10 at Euros.

Btw, I wonder what's going on with Pieman, she withdrew from Nats.

Monika Simancikova is elegant and a solid jumper. A skater to look out for, definitely.

Agata Kryger has been developing at an extremely fast rate and hopefully she's going to be the talent Polish skating has been waiting for.

Still only 12 and not able to skate Junior until next season, she already has a consistent 2a, 3t and 3s and has been landing other triples in practice too.

Competed twice so far this season and both times landed 3t/2t, 3t, 3s, 2a/2t/2t and 2a in her free skate. :)

Just skated the SP at NRW Trophy where she landed 3t/2t and 2a and fell on a 3s. And that was after travelling forever to Warsaw and having flights delayed because of snow, which resulted in her arriving at the last moment and changing into her SP dress in the car...

If she can skate this well under such extreme circumstances, anything is possible. :)

Here's her SP from Diamentowy Spin 2010 a bit earlier in the season:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9B-050KxQ0

MR-FAN
12-01-2010, 04:15 AM
Man it makes me so sad Anna Rechnio never won a medal. Such an awesome skater. :( And she still has her triples!

:eek: No way!

Ziggy
12-01-2010, 04:17 AM
:eek: No way!

Summer 2009, I watched her practice. She was skating at blinding speed and landing 2axel and all the triples up to the 3lutz, other than the 3toe (she didn't try it because of some injury issue).

I almost went into katatonia out of shock.

I've seen her at Warsaw Cup recently. She gave birth at the end of Summer and only lately returned to work as a coach so I imagined she would be looking rough but her figure was as perfect as before, if not even more so.

Oh and back when heavily pregnant, she was still demonstrating all the jumps to her skaters by actually performing them. :D

She's a legend!!!

MR-FAN
12-01-2010, 04:24 AM
Summer 2009, I watched her practice. She was skating at blinding speed and landing 2axel and all the triples up to the 3lutz, other than the 3toe (she didn't try it because of some injury issue).


:eek::eek::eek:

Dude, TAKE VIDEOS!!!! skating at blinding speed is a given with her at any time, but triples up to the lutz 10 years after leaving amateur competition??? What I wouldn't give to see that :swoon:

Any idea why she isn't touring? Is it her decision or are the shows producers just that dumb?

all_empty
12-01-2010, 04:38 AM
Paurova-Babiakova was actually a pretty solid skater, trying Lutz combinations and a triple flip (out of one footed turns!) towards the end of her career.

I also miss Galina Maniachenko-Efremenko and her sister-in-law, the freakin' Liashenko-Efremenko.

Those Ukranian girls sure had great basics and flying camels.

vodkashot
12-01-2010, 04:48 AM
Summer 2009, I watched her practice. She was skating at blinding speed and landing 2axel and all the triples up to the 3lutz, other than the 3toe (she didn't try it because of some injury issue).

I almost went into katatonia out of shock.

I've seen her at Warsaw Cup recently. She gave birth at the end of Summer and only lately returned to work as a coach so I imagined she would be looking rough but her figure was as perfect as before, if not even more so.

Oh and back when heavily pregnant, she was still demonstrating all the jumps to her skaters by actually performing them. :D

She's a legend!!!

I echo the :eek:

Marco
12-01-2010, 02:14 PM
1. Julia Sebesteyen's LP at the 1999 European Championships

She knew nothing about posture, and for 3 years in a row only managed to rock the lp after bombing the sp. And when she goes clean in the sp, she almost always falls or doubles all her jumps but the opening lutz. :slinkaway


2.Julia Lautowa's (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYEeH7BTwVQ)Lp at the 1997 World Championships

Loved her until she started imitating Slutskaya. :slinkaway



3.Elina Kettunen' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sQdTSrS_i4)s 2002 LP from the European championships.

Boring. And even more so than Poykio. So glad the recent Finns are much more interesting. :rollin:


4. Tamara Dorofejev's FP at the the 2000 EUros.

Wasn't she more famous for bombing all the time than for her only clean performance? I have actually never seen her skate. Any vids of her skating decently?

I thought you would mention Poth instead. Who else could do a 3toe3toe while in a translucent nightie?



5. Anna Rechnio's SP (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pmHHUPYxc8)

She rocks, but her nerves. You really should mention Wojtola as well.

mia joy
12-01-2010, 03:16 PM
So glad the recent Finns are much more interesting. :rollin:

are they? :P


She rocks, but her nerves. You really should mention Wojtola as well.

Yeah, good times when Poland apart from the Siudeks (or back then, Zagorska/Siudek) had two lovely and talented ladies...

Mafke
12-01-2010, 04:57 PM
Rechnio had two problems.

1. She badly needed a sports psychologist

2. Those of her coaches' generation would be very skeptical of such a thing (that's a wild understatement).

After some competition she said (in the Polish press) "I don't know what the problem is, I hit everything in practice but it falls apart in the competition." It was sad that she wasn't ever able to hold it together better over both phases of the competition.

added: She's done some commenting for eurosport and I noticed two things

1. She has the Peggy Fleming gift of dooming skaters by praising them saying "she's skating very well tonight" seconds before a fall.

2. She drove me crazy with overuse of the word "czyściusieńko" (roughly "nice and clean") for jumps that are anything but, kind of like Hamilton's "nailed it!" anytime a skater manages to stand up the landing.

Marco
12-01-2010, 05:02 PM
are they? :P


They are pretty and musical, so yes. Back then there's Kettunen and Drei. :lol: