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DickButtonFan
01-09-2011, 11:34 PM
oops double post

pinky166
01-09-2011, 11:45 PM
I guess. I don't know...something about Christina just doesn't seem completely "senior" yet (even though she's 16). Frankly, I don't think she WOULD medal at sr. worlds, but I think she'd have a decent SHOT at jr. worlds (especially if she nails the 3-3). Sure, there are a lot of good juniors, but there are a lot of good seniors, too, and I just think a newcomer from the US who hasn't even competed on the GP would get lost in the shuffle.

I didn't say that she'd medal at senior worlds, I just meant that potentially, I could forsee a situation where, if she were to go to senior worlds, she would place about the same there or potentially higher than she would if she went to junior worlds. I mean with the field this year, Christina finishing 8th at junior worlds like she did last year is definitely plausible, and there's a good chance she could probably finish similarly at senior worlds. I was more just thinking it's funny how much more impressive the juniors are compared to the seniors this season in terms of technical content. 6 out of the 8 ladies competitors at the JGPF jumped 7 triples in their FS! Kanako, Akiko, and Rachael were the only 3 in seniors who had 7 triples planned, but they all popped at least one of those attempts.

Basically what I'm trying to say is I hope the USFS doesn't hold Christina back intentionally so they can send her to Junior Worlds if she skates well enough at nationals to be on the Senior Worlds team because she's not a lock for a medal at Junior Worlds and could probably do quite well for herself at senior worlds considering the state of the senior ladies this season. But if she misses out on the Senior World team fair and square, then I hope she does go to Junior Worlds again, or 4CC.

chipso1
01-09-2011, 11:47 PM
Rachael planned 7 triples, as well.

Sylvia
01-09-2011, 11:48 PM
Not sure if this was already posted, but here is a recent video of Alissa doing her sp
Thanks. It's from last night's Detroit SC exhibition -- I've reposted your link (and more video links) in the Detroit SC Nationals Send-Off Show thread in GSD: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showthread.php?p=3015869#post3015869

pinky166
01-09-2011, 11:52 PM
Rachael planned 7 triples, as well.

I edited my post above ^^. But in any event, she doubled 3 jumps, fell on another, so she ended up jumping only 3 triples, 2 of which were downgraded.

DickButtonFan
01-09-2011, 11:55 PM
Thanks. It's from last night's Detroit SC exhibition -- I've reposted your link (and more video links) in the Detroit SC Nationals Send-Off Show thread in GSD: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showthread.php?p=3015869#post3015869

You're welcome :D

chipso1
01-10-2011, 12:22 AM
But in any event, she doubled 3 jumps, fell on another, so she ended up jumping only 3 triples, 2 of which were downgraded.

But your initial point wasn't about how many they landed or rotated, it was about how many they planned.

I believe Rachael's injury and loss of training time were contributing factors in her pops/downgrades at the GPF. That was an extremely uncharacteristic skate for her, and I would be surprised if she performs that poorly in Greensboro.

RD
01-10-2011, 07:32 AM
I believe Rachael's injury and loss of training time were contributing factors in her pops/downgrades at the GPF. That was an extremely uncharacteristic skate for her, and I would be surprised if she performs that poorly in Greensboro.

I agree...but remember, for the past 4 years being the defending National champ has definitely been a curse.

AliasJohnDoe
01-10-2011, 03:54 PM
I agree...but remember, for the past 4 years being the defending National champ has definitely been a curse.

Actually the curse has gone on for 5 years straight with no repeat Ladies Champion.

1998-2005 Kwan
2006 Cohen
2007 Meissner
2008 Nagasu
2009 Czisny
2010 Flatt

Maybe it's Wagner's year?

Debbie S
01-10-2011, 05:44 PM
I'm not sure you can consider Kwan and Cohen to be "cursed" in 06 and 07, respectively, since they did not compete at Nats in those years. ;)

Although maybe the "curse" could apply to Kwan's injury in 06, but as we know now, she had been dealing with that for a couple of years, when she was still winning Nats titles.

pinky166
01-10-2011, 05:46 PM
Actually the curse has gone on for 5 years straight with no repeat Ladies Champion.

1998-2005 Kwan
2006 Cohen
2007 Meissner
2008 Nagasu
2009 Czisny
2010 Flatt

Maybe it's Wagner's year?

Or anyone else who has yet to win - Zawadzki, Gao, Siraj, etc. We could always have a repeat of 2008 where the champion isn't old enough for senior worlds!

Allen
01-10-2011, 05:50 PM
Or anyone else who has yet to win - Zawadzki, Gao, Siraj, etc. We could always have a repeat of 2008 where the champion isn't old enough for senior worlds!

Your list makes me think of how big of a clusterf*** the ladies competition at nationals is going to be. Beyond the three you mentioned and Alissa, Mirai, Ashley, and Rachael, I would say Vanessa Lam has a chance to do very well and Caroline Zhang will probably be in the mix as well.

I really hope to see Siraj do well in Greensboro. She has some of the best choreographed programs of any ladies this year in my opinion.

Sylvia
01-10-2011, 05:52 PM
Of the 25 Senior ladies in this year's Nationals field, only Yasmin Siraj, age 14 (age 13 as of July 1, 2010), is too young for 2011 Four Continents/Worlds.

RD
01-10-2011, 08:11 PM
Actually the curse has gone on for 5 years straight with no repeat Ladies Champion.

1998-2005 Kwan
2006 Cohen
2007 Meissner
2008 Nagasu
2009 Czisny
2010 Flatt

Maybe it's Wagner's year?

I did not count Cohen since she purposely opted out of 2007. The other champions competed the following year to disastrous results.

And that's exactly what I tweeted (http://twitter.com/#!/mz734_FS/status/24308663002861568) yesterday...it's Wagner's turn, she is due one.

RD
01-10-2011, 08:13 PM
Or anyone else who has yet to win - Zawadzki, Gao, Siraj, etc. We could always have a repeat of 2008 where the champion isn't old enough for senior worlds!

Again, like I said before- I seriously doubt something like that will happen this year. I think it will be next year before we see a drastic change in the top crop of US ladies.