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pinky166
11-30-2010, 04:14 PM
I thought I'd just make a poll where the US ladies thread seems to be essentially a discussion on who will go. My picks:

Mirai Nagasu
Christina Gao

It really is a wide open affair at this point though. What are your picks?

JeffClair1979
11-30-2010, 04:33 PM
I thought I'd just make a poll where the US ladies thread seems to be essentially a discussion on who will go. My picks:

Mirai Nagasu
Christina Gao

It really is a wide open affair at this point though. What are your picks?

Pinky- you sure love you some Gao!

I'm with you- she's totally fab, but not so sure she's ready for Sr. Worlds yet... But fingers crossed that she does REALLY well!!! :D

I picked Nagasu and Czisny. A boy can dream, can't he?

FunnyBut
11-30-2010, 04:35 PM
I voted for Mirai and Rachel. Mirai because she has the most potential to medal, Rachel because they need some they can count on to deliver the jumps (and not leave the US with just one skater at next year's worlds, ala Kerrigan).

I also think Czisny has a good shot at it, she been skating so well this season, and she's her skating is so COP friendly. But she'll really have to prove she's not a head case at GPF and Nats. Gao can go to Jr. Worlds, even if she skates great I don't think they'll give her the PCS to go to Worlds. Wagner has bombed so many chances in that past, she's really a dark horse, as is everyone else.

olympic
11-30-2010, 04:53 PM
I was talking about this in another thread, and I'm torn -

I think Mirai and Ashley could be our team and I'd love that, but only if Ashley is landing and rotating the vast majority of her jumps by Nats.

If Ashley still looks a little ragged at Nats [ur's, fall], I'd bet it would be Mirai and Rachael the rock going to Worlds. Mirai can get away with a little more than Ashley because she's established somewhat of a rep on the world scene and judges will know that. Plus, she'll probably peak by March with FC in her corner, so I think Mirai would go despite any small reservations about her skating.

The biggest wild card is Alissa - amazing and has probably the biggest scoring potential of all the ladies, but as everyone knows, she is the biggest headcase and I'm not sure what will happen to her. Will the judges just reward her otherwise lovely skating for somewhat clean performances [I'm banking on at least one fall] and depend on her to get 3 spots for 2012? Or - will they hold her back somehow in the marks to keep her off the team?

Gao - Pinky will disagree with me ;) but I don't think she's ready...yet. But on her present trajectory, she should be in the very near future. If multiple ladies fail, she could make the team or at least be on the podium.

Zawadzki - Strong in the short, but otherwise not so hot in the LP this season. She is probably the least likely of the top ladies to make the team right now.

In summary, I think who ends up where in the ranks will depend on what we see from Alissa - minimal mistakes [I'm counting on at least one] and making the team or bomb city in which case she may bring up the rear of these 6 ladies.

I also think that based on everything we've seen this season, all 6 ladies will be verryy close to one another after the SP. Very exciting going into the LP

orbitz
11-30-2010, 05:02 PM
The biggest wild card is Alissa - amazing and has probably the biggest scoring potential of all the ladies, but as everyone knows, she is the biggest headcase and I'm not sure what will happen to her. Will the judges just reward her otherwise lovely skating for somewhat clean performances [I'm banking on at least one fall] and depend on her to get 3 spots for 2012? Or - will they hold her back somehow in the marks to keep her off the team?


The USFSA desperately want three spots for the 2012 World. They're not going to risk it by sending Alissa.

lilshorty
11-30-2010, 05:07 PM
Mirai and Rachael

My dream scenario:

1. Rachael will highlight her season by winning Nationals and having a respectable top 5 finish at Worlds, in which case she will retire and head off to Stanford next fall. The legacy she will leave behind is being not the most charming skater, but the most reliable and dependable ladies skater the U.S. has ever had this quadrennial, garnering her respect from skating fans everywhere. :P

2. Mirai will place at the top of the podium at Nationals in either first or second place (it really could go either way), make the podium for the first time at Worlds (yay!), and establish herself as the top U.S. lady for many more seasons to come. ;)

3. Alissa will redeem herself from last year's National's, and make a top 3 podium finish, with one of the best skates of her life. She will end this achievement on a good note by opting to not go to Worlds and retire, establishing herself as a remarkable skater in U.S. history. :)

Extranjera
11-30-2010, 05:10 PM
I think Mirai & Rachael but I wish I could see Alissa instead of Flatt.

vodkashot
11-30-2010, 05:16 PM
Nagasu and Flatt, if the powers that be want their 3 slots back.

Unlike Gao, Zawadzki, etc, Nagasu and Flatt are relatively proven on the senior world stage, placing firmly in the top 10. Nagasu can even be a medal threat in this year's weak field, while Flatt is extremely unlikely to bomb and drop out of the top 10 (unlike Czisny, Wagner).

Not really understanding the Gao hype...even if she skates well the judges at worlds are extremely unlikely to give her the high PCS needed to place decently at her first senior competition. Gao has no real senior reputation at all and I think we all know how importantly reputation factors into PCS (and GoE for that matter...).

miki88
11-30-2010, 05:17 PM
Rachel and Mirai. The third spot I am less sure of. I think Christina definitely has the chance to medal at National. She has a solid 3-3 which is something the others don't have. Given the inconsistencies of Alissa, if Gao goes clean, she will make the podium. Whether the USFS will decide to send a skater who has not yet had experience on the senior circuit to Worlds is another question.

Squibble
11-30-2010, 05:23 PM
I voted for Mirai and Rachel. Mirai because she has the most potential to medal, Rachel because they need some they can count on to deliver the jumps (and not leave the US with just one skater at next year's worlds, ala Kerrigan).

I assume you are referring to Kerrigan's skate the 1993 World Championships. Kerrigan didn't "leave the US with just one skater" at the following year's World's. She finished fifth, high enough, under the rules at the time, to qualify two ladies to the following year's Olympics and two to Worlds. In fact, two U.S. ladies did go to the Olympics (Harding and Kerrigan herself), but only one (Kwan) went to Worlds because the others that the USFSA entered as a first choice or an alternate (Kerrigan, Bobek, Kwiatkowski, and maybe Zayak [I can't recall]) either didn't want to go or was unavailable when needed.

Kwan then finished eighth, qualifying the U.S. for two spots at the following year's competition.

IIRC, under the existing rules, the U.S. can qualify for two spots at next year's competition if (1) one U.S. lady finishes in the top ten or (2) one U.S. lady finishes in the top twelve and the other U.S. lady qualifies for the Long Program.

Any U.S. lady other than Nagasu or Flatt would be ecstatic to do as well as Kerrigan and finish fifth at Worlds this year.

museksk8r
11-30-2010, 05:28 PM
I like all of Czisny, Wagner, Nagasu, and Flatt. I think the team will be fabulous with any 2 from that group on it. My wish would be for Alissa and Ashley to skate lights out in Greensboro and Tokyo and silence their critics.


In fact, two U.S. ladies did go to the Olympics (Harding and Kerrigan herself), but only one (Kwan) went to Worlds because the others that the USFSA entered as a first choice or an alternate (Kerrigan, Bobek, Kwiatkowski, and maybe Zayak [I can't recall]) either didn't want to go or was unavailable when needed.

Kwan then finished eighth, qualifying the U.S. for two spots at the following year's competition.

Bobek also represented the USA at the 1994 Worlds, but failed to advance from the qualifying round into the actual competition.

bardtoob
11-30-2010, 05:43 PM
If Flatt does not win Nationals, earning an automatic berth to Worlds, the US better name her to the team. Reliable Rachel is as necessary for US berths as Kwan was circa 1994-1996.

I think Nagasu should be named to the team if she does not win Nationals. If Czisny goes to Worlds in 2011, then the US will inevitably only have one spot in 2012.

Squibble
11-30-2010, 06:01 PM
Bobek also represented the USA at the 1994 Worlds, but failed to advance from the qualifying round into the actual competition.

Thanks for the correction. :)

wonderlen
11-30-2010, 06:02 PM
My dream podium will be Marai, Ashley and Flatt(I'm being generous, but potentially she could be ahead of the former two). All are equal in term of their chances to win and get selected to the world team.

Marai: She could be on top if she skate clean and land all her jumps. But I'm still worry about her < jumps which could hurt her, but she can easily make up the mark on Spins and Spiral and PCS mark. Still i think she can get away with one or two < jumps. Any more and she is off the team.

Ashley: Ashley improved alot in overall package. Stronger jumps, spins and presentation, but old habit die hard and she still have problem with her lazy free leg (two footing the jumps). And flutzing, she already lost 3-4 points in both SP+LP and those -GOE will hurt her score. But I will give her better PCS than Rachael.

Rachel has solid jumps, and she usually doesn't get < more than one or two jumps, which is good signs are she normally attempt the most triples out of the U.S ladies. Her PCS is decent, if she get no < call and land all her jump she will be tough to beat.

Alissa is just pleasent to watch. She surprise us when there is no expectation so, with being the top qualifier for GPF, she will be on spot light again and we all know what happened last year national.

AliasJohnDoe
11-30-2010, 06:05 PM
I went with the combo of Czisny/Nagasu for 2011 to get the US back 3 spots. Flatt/Czisny didn't do it in 2009. Flatt/Nagasu didn't do it in 2010.

Nagasu and Czisny have the highest scoring potential to reach the podium. Either one could actually win Worlds or medal. Flatt and Wagner could skate clean and not get any higher than 5-6 place. I'm more about an American lady medaling than I am about 3 spots. 3 spots for next year would be a bonus.

But to be honest, I could see any one of Nagasu, Czisny, Wagner, Flatt, Gao and Zawadzki making up the World team. My preference though is Czisny/Nagasu on the Senior World team, Flatt/Wagner/Zawadzki on the 4CC team, and Gao/Siraj/US junior gold medalist the Junior World team.

I actually want to see how Czisny and Flatt do at the GPF though.