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oleada
12-01-2010, 12:04 AM
Not that this is the thread about it but Liza probably has the best jump technique of anyone at the GPF, and it's not like Christina is a good spinner herself. Liza beat her pretty soundly at the JGP in Germany.

Back on track...

Mirai and Alissa. Pretty :D :swoon:

Sylvia
12-01-2010, 12:45 AM
I was going to put Caroline on the list but I figured no one would vote for her.
There are 3 votes for "Other" as of now... OK, 'fess up! Who voted for Caroline Zhang besides Polymer Bob? ;) Or which other lady or ladies?

icellist
12-01-2010, 12:45 AM
Mirai is the best chance to medal for the US ladies. If Czisny medals (or is close to) at GPF and beats Flatt, USFS should send Czisny because she would have shown consistency this year. Then have Rachael as the alternate. If Czisny doesnt, Flatt should go to worlds and Czisny should be the next alternate. Ashley doesnt seem like a competitor amongst the three other girls but ahead of the rest of the pack, and i hope Zhang can be up to Ashley standards again in a year or two, probably not this year.

I think everyone is focusing on worlds that they're forgetting jr worlds! I like Gao's skating but she had yet to prove herself in the senior field. Give her a berth after her first senior GP event! Dont rush her into it, most people would feel a lot of pressure and crack. I really hope Gao, Lam, and Zawadzki go to Jr Worlds. They would assure us JGP spots for next year and would help them in PCS come their senior debuts. Who knows, they might make a sweep at the podium :D. (a guy can hope~~~)

mrinalini
12-01-2010, 12:46 AM
Christina basically has a marvellous 3F-3T and that's about it - everything else is fair to mediocre, IMO. And yet we have Ms. Pinky proclaiming her to be the saviour of U.S. ladies' skating and practically a lock for the World team. Strange; very strange.

I'm going with Mirai and Rachael for Worlds. That isn't my dream team, but I think these two are the most likely to be consistent come Nats and the fact that they made the World and Olympic teams last season can't hurt. Alissa and Ashley are the next most likely to make it, and if they manage to be clean or fairly clean (a divine intervention would be needed in Alissa's case, I'm thinking), the Mirai/Rachael combo could be in jeopardy. The Nats judges have proven to be very favourable towards Ashley and Alissa - the former's flutzes have been completely ignored in the past, and we all know how Alissa was scored in 2009.

oleada
12-01-2010, 12:47 AM
Christina basically has a marvellous 3F-3T and that's about it - everything else is fair to mediocre, IMO. And yet we have Ms. Pinky proclaiming her to be the saviour of U.S. ladies' skating and practically a lock for the World team. Strange; very strange.


Pretty much. She's little more than a jumping bean at this point.

icellist
12-01-2010, 12:49 AM
I'm actually really surprised that everyone is so gun-ho for Mirai. I love her and I'm so glad people are noticing her more to.

I'm also surprised that there weren't any Flatt and Czisny pairings in the comment (there were but none of them were positive)

mgobluegirl
12-01-2010, 01:49 AM
I'm floored anyone has voted for Cesario. She's made some nice progress this season, but I still think several of her jumps look consistently UR. IMO, she is not in the same class as anyone else on this list, including Lam and Dobbs, who are probably the next weakest of those included. I think Caroline will beat Cesario at nationals.

NMURA
12-01-2010, 02:03 AM
Nagasu has the highest potential to medal.
Flatt has the highest possibility to skate clean.

It's already set. There's no other choice. You can send someone who skated best (better) at nationals when there are three spots.

pinky166
12-01-2010, 02:14 AM
I'm floored anyone has voted for Cesario. She's made some nice progress this season, but I still think several of her jumps look consistently UR. IMO, she is not in the same class as anyone else on this list, including Lam and Dobbs, who are probably the next weakest of those included. I think Caroline will beat Cesario at nationals.

I doubt it. Cesario has been skating really well this season and Zhang has not. If she keeps on scoring 81 in the FS, she'll likely be out of the top 10. That doesn't mean she can't make a comeback next season, but I think it's going to take her a little longer than 2 months to get back on track.

Gao was a jumping bean last year but this year her overall skating has really improved. Some of her spins are not great but others are perfectly adequate, like her donut spin and layback spin. It's really only the change foot combination spin that needs work, and she probably is working on that. I wouldn't say Ashley or Rachael have better spins than Christina at this point, and Christina certainly has better quality jumps than both of them. Plus last year the commentators were going goo goo ga ga over her and she didn't even skate that well and her programs were pretty empty, this year I'm sure they'll be even more impressed considering how much she has improved. Plus PCS seem pretty inflated across the board at nationals.

oleada
12-01-2010, 02:16 AM
Ashley is a really nice spinner, actually. Her layback is gorgeous.

It's not just the spins, anyway, but I doubt you'll get that.

pinky166
12-01-2010, 02:23 AM
Ashley is a really nice spinner, actually. Her layback is gorgeous.

It's not just the spins, anyway, but I doubt you'll get that.

She's ok, nothing compared to Mirai or Alissa though. Spins really don't matter much in terms of scoring though, as long as you can get the levels, that's pretty much all you need.

I know it's not just about spins, but if judges at nationals were willing to give the title to a 14 year old baby ballerina Mirai who looked like she was 10 and had very cutesy juniorish programs, then I don't know why people think it would be so crazy if Christina, who is almost 17, won the US title this season. Err, what?

bardtoob
12-01-2010, 02:30 AM
I'm actually really surprised that everyone is so gun-ho for Mirai. I love her and I'm so glad people are noticing her more to.

The thing about Mirai is that the technique is there. She may have a new body, be injured, or be out of shape, but she skates on edges with good speed and turns and has excellent carriage while skating and jumping, including always having her shoulders aligned with her hips while balanced over her blades. She does get edge calls SOMETIMES, but they range from "none" to ! to e and none of her jumps are from wild swinging edges, which means that everything is correctable.

. . . I will add, since this is the US ladies thread, not the Mirai thread, that there are times when Mirai's technical errors can be attributed to sloppiness or laziness, but Rachel is generally technically on all the time. I say this so that no one thinks that I think Mirai is the end all be all of technique when she is not.

chipso1
12-01-2010, 02:43 AM
I wouldn't say Ashley or Rachael have better spins than Christina at this point

(Emphasis mine).

You are blind. Or joking. Or both. But this is the most ridiculous thing I've read on here today. Christina is a fine jumper, one of the best in the U.S., but her spins are nothing special and do not match up to any of the following: Nagasu, Czisny, Wagner, Zawadzki. Heck, even Dobbs, Zhang and Cesario have better spins. And Gong.

haribobo
12-01-2010, 02:47 AM
I know it's not just about spins, but if judges at nationals were willing to give the title to a 14 year old baby ballerina Mirai who looked like she was 10 and had very cutesy juniorish programs, then I don't know why people think it would be so crazy if Christina, who is almost 17, won the US title this season. Err, what?

Cutesy, yes. Juniorish, not really. She was fantastic, regardless of how old she looked. I don't think posters are saying it would be crazy if Gao won. I certainly don't think its impossible. She's just facing a bit of a tougher field than when Mirai won in 2008.

bardtoob
12-01-2010, 02:53 AM
BTW, regarding Rachel, there is subtly to Rachel's skating that is often missed. For example, in her LP at Skate America, few noticed that she did a counterrotated Camel to Catchfoot Camel in her combo spin at the end, which is not something that is often seen with a skater that is only about jumps.