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MikiAndoFan#1
11-30-2010, 06:53 PM
Love this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnALm-pbogs&feature=related)! It sounds so nice.

IceAlisa
11-30-2010, 06:58 PM
This is how Giselle should be done, forget about that last YT video of Irina Kolesnikova and her awful dancing. This is Giselle's variation before she dies and turns into a ghost in the spectacular 2nd Act i.e. White Act.

The exquisite ballerina Evgenia Obraztsova of the Kirov/ Mariinsky Theater.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fSu9Jq1lWI&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej8I7VdAmro&feature=player_embedded
I am a fan of Polina Semionova but my all time favorite is Diana Vishneva whose performance in the 2nd act I linked in my previous post. She is divine. :swoon:

Obraztsova is lovely too. :)

portia
11-30-2010, 07:03 PM
I am a fan of Polina Semionova but my all time favorite is Diana Visheva whose performance in the 2nd act I linked in my previous post. She is divine. :swoon:

Diana Vishneva is a wonderful ballerina and a nice person (I met her!) but her Giselle can be described as post-modern or too neoclassical for purists' tastes. While I do love her Giselle as well and anything she dances, I'm a sucker for a soft, purely Romantic Giselle like Obraztsova's.

mrinalini
11-30-2010, 07:36 PM
You remind me of Dick Button's comment on Kim at the 2007 Worlds. :)

He said, "I think what's incredible is that she's absolutely a Balanchine-type skater. Long arms, long legs, truly elegant move."

I love Button dearly, but he's made some pretty WTF! comments (especially in his later years) and that is one of them. Balanchine is rolling in his grave as we speak.


She does have the length of arms and legs (sort of) but not the look of a ballerina. (http://www.theatermania.com/content/show/index.cfm?city_name=chicago&show_name=kirov-ballet-and-orchestra---giselle_144187&sction=pictures&imageDisplay=1) It takes years of training to achieve.

THESE (http://www.ballet.co.uk/images/abt/mi_giselle_daiana_vishneva_vladimir_malakhov_lovin g_support_500.jpg) are what is known as nice lines, Ziggy. FYI. ;)

Incidentally, these are pictures and a video of dancers performing Giselle. That's what Giselle looks like. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KirsPqS3JQ) The pose at 0:49 mark is a classical Giselle position and is instantly identifiable. This is of course the 2nd act. Yuna may have chosen to focus on the 1st which is not nearly as ethereal.

Thanks for clarifying what the term 'balletic' really should mean. I just about gagged when someone complimented Kim on having nice lines.

IceAlisa
11-30-2010, 07:44 PM
Diana Vishneva is a wonderful ballerina and a nice person (I met her!)

Oh. My. God. :eek: That's amazing.

Karpenko
11-30-2010, 09:33 PM
Yu-Na :drama: Mao :drama: :drama: SASHA!!! :drama: :drama: :drama: PASHA!!!!! (you have exceeded the amount of emoticons available)

Kwan :lynch:

blah blah blah siss boom bah

Ziggy
11-30-2010, 09:40 PM
:rofl: For Ziggy may be but not for Oppergard. Her lines are lazy, knees bent, legs and arms lack stretch and the flexed foot is fugly.

Please, if Kim's lines are bad, than I don't know what it makes most of the other Ladies in the competition.

Ballet is ballet and skating is skating. Skaters should be held to a different standard and not compared to the best ballet company's ballerinas that they will obviously not live up to.

figsrus
11-30-2010, 09:48 PM
A short training video (http://unisports.tv/gXV0pP) of Yuna working with David Wilson

burntBREAD
11-30-2010, 10:04 PM
A short training video (http://unisports.tv/gXV0pP) of Yuna working with David Wilson

In this video (don't know if anyone posted it, someone probably did) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eT0P_Nzdrvg

The end part with Yuna spinning a little shows her leg in the classic layback position! :cheer:

taf2002
11-30-2010, 10:16 PM
Sorry to interrupt. I am not so sure her "Arirang FP" will be very well received in Tokyo. Maybe it would be a little like performing "Bells of Moscow" in North America.

IIRC, Mao skated to Bells of Moscow. Kwan skated to Tosca. Elvis Stojko skated to Kitaro. Who cares where the music comes from? If any Japanese fans have a problem with Arirang, they can just get over it. Why should the music bother them if the actual skater being Korean doesn't?

bek
11-30-2010, 10:55 PM
Both Korea and Japan are independent countries. :)
Each coutry has its own tastes and culture and perspective views as you know. Sometimes we share the same feelings and views, and other times we may not. I hope Korean fans won't demand too much from Japanese fans and audience. Our tastes and feelings and emotions are not always the same as yours. On the contrary I always feel people in Korea and Japan are really different.

Yuna said that in her FP she will skate for her country and its people. She said that her FP is a love letter to Korea and Korean people. I'm sure her music and her program will make her countrymen cry to death. But Korean fans (incuding Yuna), please don't get upset, mad and furious, and don't criticize and blame us in case the audience in Tokyo won't respond as enthusiastically as Korean people do and in case we won't have tears in our eyes.


You were kind of missing my point, and I'm not Korean or even Asian at all. Koreans can correct me here. The point is that Arirang itself is not exactly politically charged, in the sense that its centuries old. Now during the Japanese occupation, the song Arirang did serve as a unifying song for Koreans. But not because of the words (it doesnt say anything about Japan) but rather because the song is symbol of Korean culture and what it means to be Korean Now the song has a lot of meaning because its the most popular folk song in North/South Korea.

So unless the Japanese people still have aims towards Korea, which I think we all know they don't. I'm not sure how a song that symbolizes Korean culture, can be seen as offensive. If someone were to suggest that Mao couldn't skate to Japanese music in Korea, I'd be just as offended.

Now as for whether Kim's non Korean fans could appeciate it, I'd say that I do think Kim skating to that music in Japan, will have the most meaning to Koreans. But I would suggest that for her non Korean fans, Kim is offering up for the rest of us the opportunity, to listen to and see her express a song that is an important part of Korean culture. The opportunity to listen to a different kind of music. Every culture has things to offer the rest of the world that we can listen too and appreciate. The music of Arirang is absolutely gorgeous and frankly why should Beethoven be okay for the entire world to listen to but Arirang be something only for Koreans?

John 3 17
11-30-2010, 11:54 PM
IceAlisa, ITA. "Lazy" is the operative word. And not just her feet, but everything. I feel her limbs just kind of "dangle"; no firmness. Thanks for the pics and links, too!

Ziggy, most skaters have good lines, imo. A skater doesn't have to be uber-balletic to have good lines: Janet Lynn, Dorothy Hamill, Peggy Fleming, Michelle Kwan, Katarina Witt, heck, most skaters have lines that are very pleasing to the eye. That's what makes skating, skating: balletic influence which translates to good lines. Yuna has always stood out to me as lacking that at this high level. Then there are those skaters who have what I call "uber-balletic" lines (my favorite): Healy of course, but also Oksana Baiul, Sasha Cohen, and Katia Gordeeva. But with a regular, decent skating line, any skater could attempt "Giselle" (like Yukari), I just don't think Yuna does.

-Bridget

IceAlisa
12-01-2010, 12:27 AM
Please, if Kim's lines are bad, than I don't know what it makes most of the other Ladies in the competition. Depends on a lady.


Ballet is ballet and skating is skating. Skaters should be held to a different standard and not compared to the best ballet company's ballerinas that they will obviously not live up to.
You are aware that ballet classes are necessary for figure skaters and that there is a good reason for that? Yes, it is unrealistic to expect the same level of lines and stretch from a figure skater, although some have come close. But it's also sloppy to barely attempt to create a nice line. Yuna skates with very little evidence of ballet training and now she is attempting Giselle. I really hope she works hard to make the adjustments.

INO
12-01-2010, 01:38 AM
WOW. Very exciting news!
I think that Yu-Na's new SP/FS will be a fabulous one as usual. I can't hardly wait till WC! :swoon:

piano18
12-01-2010, 01:38 AM
Excellent choice of Giselle music. Perfect. I saw her live in 2006 and want to see her again.