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RunnersHigh
11-30-2010, 03:08 PM
I understood what she means but I'm surprised she considers WC in Tokyo to be "the right time" for this music. I know she wants to do it for Korean audience, but Japan & Korea have difficult history and it can look a bit controversial. Why can't she skate to this music at WC in France instead? I think it can be the sign she won't compete after this season (but I hope I'm wrong).

That's what I think about controversy comes of her music, but I have to say I'm happy of her choice. I like watching something fresh instead of another Carmen, Scheherazade etc.
Do you happen to know Arirang's lyrics? The Korean folksong, Arirang, has nothing to do with history-something or Japan. It's all about the lover who was left behind - What I'm talking about is the most famous one among many Arirangs all over the country.

Arirang's lyrics.

Refrain.
Arirang, Arirang, Arariyo...
Crossing over Arirang Pass.

Verse 1.
Dear who abandoned me
Will not walk even 4 Km before his/her feet hurt.

Verse 2.
Just as there are many stars in the clear sky,
There are also many dreams in our heart.

Verse 3.
There, over there that mountain is Baekdu,
Where, even in the middle of winter days, flowers bloom.
For more details (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arirang).

nubka
11-30-2010, 03:24 PM
You remind me of Dick Button's comment on Kim at the 2007 Worlds. :)

He said, "I think what's incredible is that she's absolutely a Balanchine-type skater. Long arms, long legs, truly elegant move."

If that's the case, then she should be skating to the music from Agon or Bugaku, not Giselle... :cool:

Extranjera
11-30-2010, 03:53 PM
Do you happen to know Arirang's lyrics? The Korean folksong, Arirang, has nothing to do with history-something or Japan. It's all about the lover who was left behind - What I'm talking about is the most famous one among many Arirangs all over the country.



Yes, I do. If Arirang had something in common with history of Japan & Korea I wouldn't have written "it can look A BIT controversial" because then it would be VERY controversial.

santa1505
11-30-2010, 03:56 PM
I don't think not pointing her toes would be a problem for her to skate to Giselle :) She has a gorgeous upper body movement and her lines are beautiful. Anyway I hope she doesn't skip 4cc too.

pinky166
11-30-2010, 04:00 PM
I'm interested to see Yuna's take on Giselle. I've always wanted her to do a ballet program, but personally think she'd be better portraying the Black Swan from Swan Lake or Queen of the Dryads from Don Quixote where her presence on the ice is regal and stately and she exudes confidence with her movements. Giselle is supposed to be a fragile and innocent young girl, when I think of someone who would be good at portraying Giselle, I think Caroline Zhang circa 2007 or Min-Jung Kwak. That being said, I think Yuna's skating could bring a new dimension to the character of Giselle and potentially could be a masterpiece. We shall see.

PUNKPRINCESS
11-30-2010, 04:12 PM
I understood what she means but I'm surprised she considers WC in Tokyo to be "the right time" for this music. I know she wants to do it for Korean audience, but Japan & Korea have difficult history and it can look a bit controversial. Why can't she skate to this music at WC in France instead? I think it can be the sign she won't compete after this season (but I hope I'm wrong).
It's possible that she plans on this being her last season...if so, I hope not!

But I just wanted to point out, that a Tokyo WC audience isn't necessarily going to be 100% Japanese. I wouldn't bet on it. It may even be filled with a lot of Koreans living in Japan or fans in Korea who would buy tickets to attend the Tokyo show, which is probably more convenient than, say, a WC in France. I don't really know what the state of travel is between the countrymen of the two nations, but as far as I know, one can always rely on Japanese audiences to be gracious, and given that Arirang is apparently not a very politically-charged piece, I'd say Tokyo Worlds is probably the best combination of timing and location. :40beers:

Hopefully Mao will have stepped up by then. Not so much because of the whole rivalry thing, but because it would be awesome to see her skate well at Tokyo. She and Yu-Na are the two best ladies right now (IMO.)

Extranjera
11-30-2010, 05:05 PM
I didn't think about that. You may be right- Korea is close to Japan so surely there will be many Koreans in the audience. Maybe Yuna thinks about it either and this choice of music doesn't mean end of her career at all? I hope so.

I wish Mao all the best too, but I'm not sure if she will be ready for Worlds. I'm affraid that one year is too little to improve all jumps, moreover she may have problems with qualifing for national team for Worlds. Of course I cross fingers for them both (I wanna see another great competition, just like in Vancouver) but I think Yuna will be the one winning another world title.

OK, I know it's a bit too early to predict podium because we haven't seen Yuna yet, but that's only my feeling...

Shaia
11-30-2010, 05:27 PM
I think the money is on Yuna to win the Worlds with another spectacular set of programs, even if no one has ever won the Worlds as their 1st and only competition of the season.

With Mao struggling, Yuna is simply head and shoulders above the rest of the current crop of ladies skaters, it is not even really a competition.

Now, if Mao gets back her jumps and is able to perform clean SP/LP? That would make things very interesting!

IceAlisa
11-30-2010, 05:55 PM
Kim's lines are fine.

:rofl: For Ziggy may be but not for Oppergard. Her lines are lazy, knees bent, legs and arms lack stretch and the flexed foot is fugly.

Kim's physique, so long and lean, is pure ballerina. She will be a magnificent Giselle. She does have the length of arms and legs (sort of) but not the look of a ballerina. (http://www.theatermania.com/content/show/index.cfm?city_name=chicago&show_name=kirov-ballet-and-orchestra---giselle_144187&sction=pictures&imageDisplay=1) It takes years of training to achieve.

THESE (http://www.ballet.co.uk/images/abt/mi_giselle_daiana_vishneva_vladimir_malakhov_lovin g_support_500.jpg) are what is known as nice lines, Ziggy. FYI. ;)

Incidentally, these are pictures and a video of dancers performing Giselle. That's what Giselle looks like. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KirsPqS3JQ) The pose at 0:49 mark is a classical Giselle position and is instantly identifiable. This is of course the 2nd act. Yuna may have chosen to focus on the 1st which is not nearly as ethereal.

Shaia
11-30-2010, 06:08 PM
I am obviously not a fan of ballet, but I think Yuna, with things she can do on the ice, will make much more mesmerizing Giselle than this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3J1YssDjjsc

IceAlisa
11-30-2010, 06:17 PM
I am obviously not a fan of ballet, but I think Yuna, with things she can do on the ice, will make much more mesmerizing Giselle than this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3J1YssDjjsc

:rofl:

portia
11-30-2010, 06:35 PM
:rofl: For Ziggy may be but not for Oppergard. Her lines are lazy, knees bent, legs and arms lack stretch and the flexed foot is fugly.
She does have the length of arms and legs (sort of) but not the look of a ballerina. (http://www.theatermania.com/content/show/index.cfm?city_name=chicago&show_name=kirov-ballet-and-orchestra---giselle_144187&sction=pictures&imageDisplay=1) It takes years of training to achieve.

THESE (http://www.ballet.co.uk/images/abt/mi_giselle_daiana_vishneva_vladimir_malakhov_lovin g_support_500.jpg) are what is known as nice lines, Ziggy. FYI. ;)

Incidentally, these are pictures and a video of dancers performing Giselle. That's what Giselle looks like. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KirsPqS3JQ) The pose at 0:49 mark is a classical Giselle position and is instantly identifiable. This is of course the 2nd act. Yuna may have chosen to focus on the 1st which is not nearly as ethereal.

Thanks for posting these. I was just going to post something like it. It's difficult for a skater to have ballet lines unless they've spent years studying ballet. The only person that I've known to done both at high levels is Katherine Healy, who danced professionally as a ballerina and who also skated. It does take years of ballet training to get balletic lines. Years spent developing deep plie, beautiful cambre, effortless extensions, and proper turnout at the hips.

It's false to assume that Yuna can have ballet lines just because she has a lanky body. It doesn't work that way. Ballet training can give you long or longer lines even if you're of average proportions. But you can't magically have ballet lines just because you're tall and have long limbs. It takes years of training. I danced for 14 years and I still retain some of the telltale signs of being a dancer, it becomes ingrained in how you move your body even when you're not dancing.

Back to Yuna skating to Giselle, I hope the piece of music she uses is from the Mad Scene where Giselle goes bonkers and dies from her weak heart after learning she was betrayed by Albrecht. Now THAT would fit better for Yuna, she wouldn't even have to point her toes, as the Mad Scene is all pantomime anyways. But if Yuna skates to any of Giselle's other variations then she really should work on her upper body and point those toes.

skatesindreams
11-30-2010, 06:37 PM
If she competes, I'm sure Worlds will be very interesting indeed.

senorita
11-30-2010, 06:44 PM
:rofl:
She does have the length of arms and legs (sort of) but not the look of a ballerina. (http://www.theatermania.com/content/show/index.cfm?city_name=chicago&show_name=kirov-ballet-and-orchestra---giselle_144187&sction=pictures&imageDisplay=1) It takes years of training to achieve.THESE (http://www.ballet.co.uk/images/abt/mi_giselle_daiana_vishneva_vladimir_malakhov_lovin g_support_500.jpg) are what is known as nice lines, Ziggy. FYI. ;)Incidentally...

thank you for this post, it was very interesting and I started looking youtube giselles after that:)

portia
11-30-2010, 06:49 PM
This is how Giselle should be done, forget about that last YT video of Irina Kolesnikova and her awful dancing. This is Giselle's variation before she dies and turns into a ghost in the spectacular 2nd Act i.e. White Act.

The exquisite ballerina Evgenia Obraztsova of the Kirov/ Mariinsky Theater.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fSu9Jq1lWI&feature=player_embedded

After she turns into a ghost, PDD with Albrecht
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej8I7VdAmro&feature=player_embedded