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Shinku
12-05-2010, 08:09 AM
You don't get my point, do you?
I don't speak for all Yuna fans, but for me at least, don't really give a shit whether Japanese media exposes Yuna or not. In fact, I'd prefer them staying away from her as far as possible, as I have seen in the past how they used her to create the Asada delusion or fabricate false images about her.

The bottom line is that regardless of what you may think, Japanese shouldn’t' be treated in any different way from fans in other region. If you enjoy Yuna's skating, come and join the party. If you don't, shut up and stay the feck away. That's all I have to say.

Will you chill?:cool:
The Japanese media has always treated Yuna politely. They have introduced her as Mao's rival, but has reported how better Yuna's been doing than her, and have praised her quite openly as much as to irritate Mao fans. As far as I remember, only about 2 tabloids wrote about Yuna in a malicious way in the past, and they at the same time write badly about Mao, Shizuka, and almost any popular skater too (with the exception of Takahashi maybe). Japanese tabloids don't write bad sometimes about Yuna cause she's Yuna. They'd do it to anyone. That's how they make a living, dude. It's called business.

I was just stating some facts on how the Japanese media is, since you seemed to misunderstand them. I don't recall mentioning Japanese fans should be treated differently (how?) either. Where'd you get that idea?:confused:

RunnersHigh
12-05-2010, 08:12 AM
What’s my point? My point is to participate in a discussion and to express my opinion on this issue which started several pages ago by other posters who are aware of certain specifics…. Have you read this topic from beginning?

Here are few posts on this discussion....

etc. and so on….
Here's my answer: Of course if your read this topic from the beginning you may found bunch of mine.

If you wanna take part in a country's history and culture, you have to be careful . I mean what you read here and there is just skin-deep. Even Korean specialist can't count how may Arirangs around the country and don't know who and when it started to be song.

OK.... It's enough. Have a good day.

RumbleFish
12-05-2010, 10:26 AM
Will you chill?:cool:
The Japanese media has always treated Yuna politely. They have introduced her as Mao's rival, but has reported how better Yuna's been doing than her, and have praised her quite openly as much as to irritate Mao fans. As far as I remember, only about 2 tabloids wrote about Yuna in a malicious way in the past, and they at the same time write badly about Mao, Shizuka, and almost any popular skater too (with the exception of Takahashi maybe). Japanese tabloids don't write bad sometimes about Yuna cause she's Yuna. They'd do it to anyone. That's how they make a living, dude. It's called business.

I was just stating some facts on how the Japanese media is, since you seemed to misunderstand them. I don't recall mentioning Japanese fans should be treated differently (how?) either. Where'd you get that idea?:confused:

Look, don't make me post same things over and over.
I DON'T CARE about Japanese media and it seems Yuna doesn't either. Also, I would dearly appreciate Japanese media and people like you staying away from her as far as possible.

AFAIK, Yuna hasn't associated with anything related to Japan since 2007 when she appeared in a show IIRC. Why can't you stop being obsessive and just carry on with cheering on your own skaters? :wall:

BTW, this will be the last time replying to you on this subject.

RumbleFish
12-05-2010, 10:44 AM
Taking into consideration historic facts NEVER hurts when doing business, travelling or performing in foreign countries.

Yuna won't be doing business, leisure traveling, nor performing in a show in Japan. She will be competing in the World Figure Skating Championship.

I can't believe arrogance of some Japanese in this board. Tell me, why should Korea's most prominent athlete give up performing to a Korea's signature music piece as a dedication to Korean people? To make handful of Japanese lunatics feel better? :wall:

Just try to get over it.

let`s talk
12-05-2010, 12:06 PM
ontopic in today's The Japan Times:
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/sp20101205it.html

raphie
12-05-2010, 02:56 PM
You obviously haven't been around this board very much.
yeah, you're the first one who noticed&greeted me. :D
btw im also one of 'kwan fan'! when i was very young she was my idol.


But you have to agree, some parts of the argument were actually interesting! The parts that involved reasoning, history and video, from many posters who do not agree with each other?
It is true that Yu-Na threads provoke passions; same is true for other successful and brilliant skaters.
I wish Yu-na supporters who are new to the boards would feel a little less outrage at discussions surrounding Yu-Na and would be a little more willing to carry on a dispute without name - calling and eye- rolling. There are fans like that, and they have provided some great, valuable information. There would be no skating boards if we all were " JUST waiting" to see what our favorite- and not so favorite- skaters would do.

you're right. actually it was interesting to read all various ideas on Arirang as a Korean. to me arirang means 'fork song my grandma likes to sing' no more no less. and ther're so many versions that i couldt even remember. thats all.

btw when Stephan Lambiel skated his SP to 'Wilhelm Tell' any Austrians jumped into ice rink at the Olympics? he even interviewed he's so glad that the music makes himself so proud since it's about his national hero(W.Tell is not a real man though).
I know there's no army force/ can't participate in any war Japanese themselves cause they are still not forgiven of the World War 2. It also tells some part of the colonial history in Asia.
I don't mean I hate every Japanese. Actually i went the exchange student to japan, have some friends there. when some Japanese tourists're lost in Seoul, there's no reason i don't help them.

Unlike some people in FSU, my Japanese friends didn't mentioned any uncomfortable feelings about Arirang in Tokyo. When it comes to hisory, they rather choose to apologize for their grandparents faults. Are they Wrong? :rollin:

Who doesn't want old politics, sad history in figure skating? Koreans. Not anyone else. I just cant wait to see Yuna skating in competition. thats all. ;)

anyway i believe that anybody knows who has been suggested Arirang for many years is David Wilson, not Yuna. if Arirang contains some hatred or against Japan, why the choreographer would to that? any chance that one of David's grandfather is from Korea? :D

not an well-organised articles on Arirang. I just want some respect for a skater and her mother country. Neighbors!
I see almost every users here knows well how to. this long comment is not for them.




+ and when it comes to Giselle, toe-point and turning out wouldnt be a big problem i think. cause we lost the spiral sequence this season- i would rather forcus on her upper body movements and expressions, the transitions David created, and whole story! will it be sad ending or some new Giselle? or any chance Yuna acts as Mirtha? hahaha

Shinku
12-05-2010, 05:27 PM
I DON'T CARE about Japanese media and it seems Yuna doesn't either.
AFAIK, Yuna hasn't associated with anything related to Japan since 2007 when she appeared in a show

Well...you say you don't care about the Japanese media, but you sure seem to know alot about them! :lol: Why do you keep posting stuff as if everything you say about them are facts?


but the reason her media exposure went down in Japan, if it really happened, would has to do more with demise of Asada.

Since 2006 Jr Worlds, Japanese media used Yuna to build a phony rivary story vis a vie Asada in order to make money. Since 2009 Worlds, it has become clear even to an untrained eye that Yuna's skating is miles away better than Asada's. Now a days, trying to compare them would only result in embarassment for Asada, hence they are keeping it quite.



as I have seen in the past how they used her to create the Asada delusion or fabricate false images about her.

Btw, a Japanese news show invited Yuna as a guest 2 years ago, and interviewed her via satellite live. There was also a special program exclusively on Yuna in Japan last year, which she appeared in and had a nice conversation with the hosts enjoying Korean food with them. I know this cause I watched these programs. Plus when she came to Tokyo for GPF, won and performed in the gala, the audience gave Yuna a big warm applause. I know this cause I was there. So Yuna hasn't associated with anything related to Japan since 2007, huh? Alot you know!:rofl:

I'm hoping not so soon, but after Yuna retires from competition, she's going to start making a living performing in ice shows. There's a large market in Japan too for that. So if you're really such a loyal fan, don't ruin the opportunity for her. All I'm saying is that things aren't as bad as you want them to be.:hat1:

dinakt
12-05-2010, 06:04 PM
Thanks for answering raphie
The more I read, the more I think it is a non- issue; looking forward to seeing the program.
I have learned quite a bit about other cultures from FSU's " cultural wars"; but in the instances it's about mine sometimes I want to bang my head on the wall repeatedly.

portia
12-05-2010, 06:40 PM
+ and when it comes to Giselle, toe-point and turning out wouldnt be a big problem i think. cause we lost the spiral sequence this season- i would rather forcus on her upper body movements and expressions, the transitions David created, and whole story! will it be sad ending or some new Giselle? or any chance Yuna acts as Mirtha? hahaha

So you're giving up hope on Yuna achieving decent toe point already? Do't give up too soon. It's not that difficult to point your toes unless you're flat-footed or don't have much of an arch. Pointing one's toes gives a much better line even if one doesn't use turnout. As a skater, Yuna doesn't have natural turnout or laxity in her hip joints and ligaments like say, Shizuka Arakawa. Arakawa's spread eagle demonstrates very natural turnout for a skater, almost dancer-like in fact. Arakawa also has a lovely cambre (deep back bend or back port de bras) which gives her Ina Bauer the most wonderful position.

As such, I'd much rather Yuna work on her toe point as opposed to turnout, which in her case may be a lost cause. She looks like she has slight tibial torsion (bending of the tibia bone) and this kind of physiology in a ballet dancer usually means greater risk for injury if one forces turnout incorrectly i.e. not at the hips but at the knees. Interestingly, ballet dancers with slightly bowed legs or slight tibial torsion also tend to excel at jumps.

The more I think about Yuna's Giselle, the more I'm hoping she'll not try to replicate or interpret the Willi Giselle (White Giselle), and instead go for the 1st Act Peasant Girl Giselle. It'll be more suitable for her artistically not to mention easier to portray. On the other hand, if neither works out, Yuna can always go for a very non-traditional, tongue-in-cheek Giselle such as this, I'd like to see ice dancers try this one of these days. :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS54j9YMlnc&feature=related

portia
12-05-2010, 06:41 PM
oops double post

IceAlisa
12-05-2010, 08:28 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS54j9YMlnc&feature=related

I love this! Hysterically funny, thanks for posting! :lol:

Indra486
12-05-2010, 09:02 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS54j9YMlnc&feature=related

JOSE MANUEL CARRENO? :lol: I can never look at him the same way ever again. Like Diana Vishneva, Carreno is also very nice.

gbrookgone
12-05-2010, 09:19 PM
Although Giselle is not very original, its good to hear that she will have a free program with music that hasn't been used before. I'm pleased about this, I never really liked her musicc choices before apart from Lark Ascending and Danse Macabre. I hope it will live up to its promise! :hat1:

leesaleesa
12-06-2010, 12:39 AM
That's not a bad idea! Has anyone skated to Piaf? La Vie En Rose would have been a fun program

Kristi Yamaguchi did Piaf for one of her Olympic exhibitions-I do believe it was La Vie En Rose. Totally forgettable, but Kristi didn't really come into her own as a performer until about year two or three of her pro career, IMO.

I don't care much for Giselle the ballet or Nikodinov the skater, but Angela did the only Giselle I liked. I suppose Yuna will do it justice like she does most of her programs, but Giselle being as iconic as it is, it probably won't be one of her best. You kind of sort of have to interpret the character as is, and putting something balletic into it is part of the package. Yuna may be long legged and a fabulous skater, but balletic she isn't. Then again, neither was Bobek, and people seem to think her Giselle was fine.

I was pretty surprised to read Sarah Hughes had a strong ballet background-Her '99 Swan Lake was all sorts of bad, even in comparison to Maria Butyrskaya's stiff legged effort the following year. Then again, Sarah did have some pretty spins and a fairly decent spiral.

I don't think Tonya Harding had a ballet class in her life, but she had some nice spin positions and a great Ina Bauer. I don't think ballet is neccessary, but it sure doesn't hurt, especially if you decide to try skating to a ballet piece.

Wouldn't hurt Yuna to stretch the free leg and foot a bit more, but if that's the biggest complaint about her skating, I would say she's doing fine.

Regarding "balletic" skaters, I would have to say Baiul is at the bottom of my list: Waving your arms delicately and tip toeing around for the first 30 seconds of your program and then commencing to pump your back and telegraph jumps doesn't impress me as a dancer or a skater. Sasha was able to carry the refined lines, turn out, and toe point through her entire program.

Ironically, I really like Slutskaya's Don Q.

IceAlisa
12-06-2010, 01:12 AM
Yuna may be long legged and a fabulous skater, but balletic she isn't. Yes.


Wouldn't hurt Yuna to stretch the free leg and foot a bit more, but if that's the biggest complaint about her skating, I would say she's doing fine. I haven't seen anyone arguing that Yuna is not fine. She is.


Regarding "balletic" skaters, I would have to say Baiul is at the bottom of my list: Waving your arms delicately and tip toeing around for the first 30 seconds of your program and then commencing to pump your back and telegraph jumps doesn't impress me as a dancer or a skater.
I agree with you regarding the back pumping--not graceful and hardly balletic. However, I don't see what telegraphing jumps have to do with being or not being balletic.


Sasha was able to carry the refined lines, turn out, and toe point through her entire program.
Again, yes. She really did create an exquisite picture on the ice with her lines.