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PUNKPRINCESS
12-02-2010, 07:23 PM
A few posts before that I said I didn't know Ando did a Giselle. Again, if you were not referring to me, which poster were you referring to when you said that? :P
I was thinking of ponta. :confused:



Well, at least we are not going to see Giselle's hunched back or wrapped legs. I wonder how some of the posters stood the awkward postures of the past Giselle performances
I'm assuming by wrapped legs you're referring to Yukari Nakano; I never thought she skated with a hunched back, nor had any awkward postures.

Yukari just has such a stately presence about her. I thought her Giselle was beautiful, just as I'm sure Yuna's will be as well.
She only mentions Yukari without any apparent knowledge of the reference to Ando. In fact, she seems to think the "hunched back" is a description of Yukari.


See what I mean about needling and posting things that are of little interest and value? Did anyone say Arirang is fake or are you continuing to try to stir up some ...
Why am I stirring anything up? I'm just confused that anyone would think Arirang has the same national meaning to or about Koreans as Memoirs of a Geisha has to or about the Japanese. The former seems to have strong ties, the latter, as we have reached a consensus, has very weak ties, to say the least.

IceAlisa
12-02-2010, 07:28 PM
Sorry, PUNKPRINCESS. I am done playing with you. Say hello to my Ignore List, a useful FSU feature. :)

PUNKPRINCESS
12-02-2010, 07:29 PM
:confused:

Oh well, I'm glad I won't have to deal with IceAlisa's snarky moods and weak reasoning... :D

senorita
12-02-2010, 07:36 PM
If, for instance, Evan Lysacek, skated to an homage to US in Russia, expressing his love to US and expressing thanks to supports from US people , featuring American folk music, would Russian audience be pleased, touched, moved and get highly enthusiastic?

huh?? Evan skated to russian music in Canada and became OC, what is this conflict between nationality of the skater, the music and audience? Nonsense. Skaters should ask ISU where they intend to place the events next season so that they pick the appropriate music for their programs? If Yuna wants to skate to Korean music,it is good chance at least for skating audience to learn new music and avoid one more warhorse. Should all skate to Edith Piaf at 2012 worlds?

kwanfan1818
12-02-2010, 07:37 PM
The one skater less suited for Giselle than Ando is Leonova.
On the other hand, I probably would have watched the YouTube video of that for the entertainment value. If I hadn't been at Skate America, Ando's Giselle would have lasted about 20 seconds before I clicked off the video.

There was nothing at all notable about Ando's Giselle. It was the same program she'd been skating to any number of musical selections. Stroke, stroke, stroke face, stroke, jump. There was no reason to remember that she'd done it.


Should all skate to Edith Piaf at 2012 worlds?
At the gala, mais oui! Much better than tinkly piano music any day.

ponta1
12-02-2010, 07:38 PM
Since you all keep bringing my name up, I'd just like to say I do know that Miki Ando skated to Giselle, albeit very, very briefly....I just never really noticed her hunched back. I think she's a beautiful skater. As is Yukari. And Yuna.

PUNKPRINCESS
12-02-2010, 07:43 PM
On the other hand, I probably would have watched the YouTube video of that for the entertainment value. If I hadn't been at Skate America, Ando's Giselle would have lasted about 20 seconds before I clicked off the video.

There was nothing at all notable about Ando's Giselle. It was the same program she'd been skating to any number of musical selections. Stroke, stroke, stroke face, stroke, jump. There was no reason to remember that she'd done it.
The program wasn't notable in and of itself, but...the scenario was. I feel bad for Miki.

Edit: The program wasn't notable, unless you are a ballet die-hard. :cool:

IceAlisa
12-02-2010, 07:49 PM
On the other hand, I probably would have watched the YouTube video of that for the entertainment value. If I hadn't been at Skate America, Ando's Giselle would have lasted about 20 seconds before I clicked off the video.

There was nothing at all notable about Ando's Giselle. It was the same program she'd been skating to any number of musical selections. Stroke, stroke, stroke face, stroke, jump. There was no reason to remember that she'd done it. Yes, Leonova's Giselle would have been sooo bad, it could have been good. :P



At the gala, mais oui! Much better than tinkly piano music any day.

That's not a bad idea! Has anyone skated to Piaf? La Vie En Rose would have been a fun program. :)

mrinalini
12-02-2010, 07:51 PM
:confused:

Oh well, I'm glad I won't have to deal with IceAlisa's snarky moods and weak reasoning... :D

Whatever helps you sleep at night, peaches. Face it - you just got pwned. :P

Perhaps now you'll have more time to devote to that Kim shrine you've got in your room.

PUNKPRINCESS
12-02-2010, 07:52 PM
Since you all keep bringing my name up, I'd just like to say I do know that Miki Ando skated to Giselle, albeit very, very briefly....I just never really noticed her hunched back. I think she's a beautiful skater. As is Yukari. And Yuna.
I'm sorry for my assumption.

PUNKPRINCESS
12-02-2010, 07:53 PM
Whatever helps you sleep at night, peaches. Face it - you just got pwned. :P

Perhaps now you'll have more time to devote to that Kim shrine you've got in your room.
I didn't get "pwned." Secondly, it doesn't surprise me that the vein of snarkiness continues with you, since you already made it clear that you don't like Yu-Na skating to Giselle. :P

There is no "Kim shrine" in my room, or in my mind. I like her very much--as a skater--although she is not my favorite.

IceAlisa
12-02-2010, 07:58 PM
Hey, look what I found: Katia Gordeeva skating to Giselle in a pro competition (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfQDYH4xUYs). I know some of you will be pleased to see this.

Rob
12-02-2010, 08:06 PM
Hey, look what I found: Katia Gordeeva skating to Giselle in a pro competition (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfQDYH4xUYs). I know some of you will be pleased to see this.

My favorite one!

Angela Nikodinov did Giselle too.

mrinalini
12-02-2010, 08:08 PM
There is no "Kim shrine" in my room, or in my mind. I like her very much--as a skater--although she is not my favorite.

I'll bet.


Hey, look what I found: Katia Gordeeva skating to Giselle in a pro competition (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfQDYH4xUYs). I know some of you will be pleased to see this.

Just lovely. Now I know why I've displayed such snarkiness in this thread! ;)

Tinami Amori
12-02-2010, 10:19 PM
Regarding “Arirang” and “Japanese audience”.

International audience usually do welcome foreign songs, music and cultural events as a form of entertainment and even have their favorites from different countries.

Classical Russian Music, Ballet, most Folk songs are hardly ever a problem in USA, Germany or other countries, since they are associated with the “Best Export from Russia” – dance, classical music, skating, and other performing arts. Bells of Moscow by Rachmaninoff is not viewed in USA as a “Cold War” symbol.

However, some folk songs or music pieces do become symbols of resistance and national unity in times of war or conflict between countries, and did/do serve to inspire “patriotism”, and sometimes remain as such “symbols” for certain periods of time in history.

Russian Folk song “Katusha” (a girl’s name and a name for artillery rocket launcher during WWII) became a symbol of resistance to Germans during the war, and Russian soldiers sang it as they turned towards Berlin in 1945, and sang it as they entered Berlin, and sang it for many years after…….

And now few older and even mischievous younger Russians in Berlin still sing it, dressed in military uniforms, on May 9th, in front of Brandenburg Gate, some times as entertainment for tourists and in some cases for sake of “Tour de Force”…. The local Germans don’t like it….. but they’ve been so beaten into submission with the “sense of guilt” that they keep quiet and walk away….. And yet just 2 blocks from the Gate down Unter den Linden, in a Staatsoper House, hundreds of Germans are attending “Evgeny Onegin” and “Swan Lake”…..

Germans do not dare to openly singing Deutschland, Deutschland uber alles, uber alles in der Welt…. And quite a few Russian immigrants and Russians in Russia still would not play Wagner or Oktoberfest polkas in their houses, and avoid hearing them in public places…..

……..and yet we all love to travel to Germany, and think quite highly of German arts, literature, philosophers, business structures, products, today’s society….

……. and yet we still, on the 9th of may, put on the songs by Russian Red Army Choir, and listen to Katusha, Moldovanka, Manchurian Valse, Rise the Great Country, The Partisans…

……. And of all the places in EU most of us think that Germany is the best place to live…. And Germans make the best business partners….

…….. and yet we cringe from Wagner and don’t dance polkas (some of us)….. but do dance Viennese Valse, Vienna – the birth place of Hitler….……. Go figure…..

I can write a dissertation on what music exchange should and should not take place between Russians, Jews and Germans even today…. down to every tune, folk song and piece of classical music..

Then there is “Bella Ciao”, the Italian Folk song, turned into a Partisan Anthem.

Then there is “Marselliese” in a scene from “Casablanca” where French bar patrons stand up to sing it when Germans walk in.

Then there is Etzel Anthem (Irgun Anthem), base on an old Jewish Folk song…… would not be cool to skate to today if event is in Istanbul…. :D…… heck, I would not even skate to “Fiddler on the Roof” in any countries not friendly to Israel…..

Then there is singing of “Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rules the waves” …… in a middle of Paris….. :D.. still would not be cool…… :D.

Singing The Bonnie Blue Flag before Obama’s speech in the middle of Washington would not be cool either, even if its roots are in a “historic folk song”.

Arirang is a Folk Song with lots of history and several versions.

Arirang had also become a symbol of Korean resistance in the 1930’s against Japanese invasion and a symbol of National pride and identity. It is no longer simply a Folk Song…..

YN Kim’s biggest rival at present is Japanese Mao Asada (never mind the skaters’ conditions today – the last two times they met on ice – the competition was strictly between these two).

Judging by comments in discussion forums between Japanese and Korean fans, in some instances “nationalism” and “past history” elements do come up…..

Older Koreans and Japanese do remember past history…..

I do not believe in forbidding any music….. But I do think that for a top Korean skater whose main rival is a top Japanese skater, and with all the history behind, and the symbolism of this Folk song, skating to “Arirang” in Tokyo, even today, is potentially “controversial”.