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Bunny_Hop
11-22-2010, 09:15 AM
I've heard there's such thing as doing a jump combination incorporating different directions (eg. CCW salchow with CW lutz). I'd love to see a video, but Youtube doesn't have any results. Has anyone seen a video of this, or someone doing it in real life?

Thanks!

igniculus
11-22-2010, 11:32 AM
I've only seen Lambiel trying a 2A rotating his usual way and trying it immediately afterwards in a different direction, as some kind of sequence. I think it was some gala practise or so.

Aussie Willy
11-22-2010, 12:14 PM
Todd Eldredge used to do axels both ways.

I have seen an adult skater years ago at US Adult Nationals who could do axels and double salchows both ways. Amazing.

LilJen
11-22-2010, 01:14 PM
Rohene Ward.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC1-havgrIk
Early bit shows spins in both directions and jumps up to 3a. About halfway through are double jumps in both directions--loop, flip?, and axel, if I remember correctly.

I know there was a show this summer where Lambiel did 2a in both directions, but I can't remember what it was.

oliver
11-22-2010, 01:21 PM
Kozuka does a double salchow in the opposite direction in an exhibition number.

Polymer Bob
11-22-2010, 01:36 PM
Usually, the 2nd ( and 3rd ) jump of a combination must be a loop or toe loop. But if a skater can jump in both directions, than the 2nd jump can be something else.

Sylvia
11-22-2010, 01:39 PM
Rohene Ward.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC1-havgrIk
Wow, thanks! :) This is a new practice video from this September that I hadn't seen before, along with another video showing off his extended spirals and other :cool: moves.

This 2002 exhibition skate by Rohene Ward (one of my all-time favorite skating performances) includes a clockwise to counter-clockwise (his "regular" direction) double Axel sequence, as well as spins in both directions: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAdIn-NFKhc

Skate Talker
11-22-2010, 05:51 PM
Orser used to iirc. Think is was "only" a single axle though.

julieann
11-22-2010, 06:00 PM
Rohene Ward.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC1-havgrIk
Early bit shows spins in both directions and jumps up to 3a. About halfway through are double jumps in both directions--loop, flip?, and axel, if I remember correctly.

I know there was a show this summer where Lambiel did 2a in both directions, but I can't remember what it was.

I miss him :(

floskate
11-22-2010, 06:19 PM
Those Rohene Ward videos are un-be-lievable!!! Such a phenomenal skater :swoon: And thank you for the video of his Vienna exhibition Sylvia. It's years since I last saw it and it was lovely to see again. :)

briancoogaert
11-22-2010, 09:20 PM
Those Rohene Ward videos are un-be-lievable!!! Such a phenomenal skater :swoon: And thank you for the video of his Vienna exhibition Sylvia. It's years since I last saw it and it was lovely to see again. :)
Amazing because you don't see whoch jump is natural : the clockwise or counter-clockwise one ? They are both very good !

leafygreens
11-29-2010, 05:39 PM
Hypothetical question: Would it be considered a combo to do a lutz CCW, step to the other foot and do a toe loop CW?

gkelly
11-29-2010, 06:32 PM
If there's a step to the other foot, it definitely wouldn't be considered a combo.

We need a technical specialist to clarify for us whether a step would make it count as a jump sequence or as two separate jump elements.

I'm pretty sure a change of edge on the same foot would make it two separate elements.

But if a skater can do that with triple jumps, maybe they should start doing it in exhibitions and lobby to have the rules amended for it to count as a sequence.

Or would it be more valuable to count it as two separate solo jumps, leaving opportunities for three other combos/sequences in the program, and hope for increased GOEs (for difficult exit of first jump/entry to second) and PCS (for intricate transition; originality; multidirectionality) from the judges.

manleywoman
11-29-2010, 07:56 PM
Those Rohene Ward videos are un-be-lievable!!! Such a phenomenal skater :swoon:

Should have been National and/or World Champ a few times over. Sigh.

skatesindreams
11-29-2010, 10:02 PM
Those Rohene Ward videos are un-be-lievable!!! Such a phenomenal skater :swoon:

That was wonderful!
He makes it look SO easy.