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Mayra
11-18-2010, 04:44 PM
When I see them skate, it makes me think of the The Weidermann Twins from The Cutting Edge... :D

You hit the nail on the head with the comparison. :eek:. Never more so than in the short program with that choreography! :yikes: I love perk as much as the next person, but the cutesy/perky choreography is cringe inducing IMO.

Having said that, they have a lot of potential and some of their lifts are :kickass:. IMO They just need better vehicles to show off their strengths.

flowerpower
11-19-2010, 01:16 AM
I don't like the SP choreography either, but they have improved their skills this year, and her positions are getting better. If they keep working hard, they will become more polished.

Did the same person choreograph both the SP and LP?

yfbg722
11-20-2010, 06:15 PM
...Did the same person choreograph both the SP and LP?

Yes. Mark Pillay did both programs, this year and last I believe. He did all the KWSC teams. It's odd to see so many bashing it here. While at Indy, many people were wanting to know who the choreographer was because they liked his work so much.

julieann
11-20-2010, 06:28 PM
Yes. Mark Pillay did both programs, this year and last I believe. He did all the KWSC teams. It's odd to see so many bashing it here. While at Indy, many people were wanting to know who the choreographer was because they liked his work so much.

Or they want to make sure they don't use him in the future.

Shallwedance
11-20-2010, 06:49 PM
I think the choreography is terrific, very exciting pairs choreography. Tracey Wilson I think likes it as well. I think their skating skills are extremely underrated here. Fast spins both sbs and pairs spins, fast feet, great lifts. Her positions are fine. Their unison can improve, the refinement can improve, but they are already light years ahead of other Canadian teams IMO, including D&D who have a smoothness to them, but whose basics have even gotten sloppy over time.

stjeaskategym
11-21-2010, 03:55 AM
I think the choreography is terrific, very exciting pairs choreography. Tracey Wilson I think likes it as well.

Of course Tracey is going to like the top-scoring Canadian team's choreography. :lol: I mean, it's definitely better than what they were doing last year, but I don't think people are going to be lining up to use the same choreographer. There's still something missing. I'd probably enjoy it more if they weren't as rough around the edges and didn't do things like utilize the star position for every lift. But at least there has been effort to improve some of their issues. They are only a second-year team after all.

yfbg722
11-21-2010, 06:36 AM
Or they want to make sure they don't use him in the future.

Given that many who asked were just spectators admiring the work, I'd think not. :rolleyes:


...and didn't do things like utilize the star position for every lift.

I think you can blame COP for the repeated star position. It's an easy way to get an extra bullet I believe.

The Accordion
11-21-2010, 06:58 AM
Of course Tracey is going to like the top-scoring Canadian team's choreography. :lol:

The poster said she liked their choreography - not that they were the highest placing Canadian team.

Also - just because she is Canadian does not mean she gushes over all that is Canadian either. She regularly mentions specific areas where Canadian skaters can improve. I've always liked that about her.

stjeaskategym
11-21-2010, 02:00 PM
The poster said she liked their choreography - not that they were the highest placing Canadian team.

Also - just because she is Canadian does not mean she gushes over all that is Canadian either. She regularly mentions specific areas where Canadian skaters can improve. I've always liked that about here.

Even if that's true, I just think it's more likely that a Canadian commentator will have only good things to say about the Canadian team that's skating the best. It's much harder for any commentator to whip out any criticisms on TV when the home team is placing well.

Allen
11-21-2010, 04:17 PM
Well, wherever the commentar would be from that would say M-T/M have great choreography, that makes me question their taste level. If the choreography isn't there, don't say it's great :eville:

I do, however, think that Tracey Wilson is fairly balanced when it comes to commentating on Canadian skaters. I just think she is sometimes wearing rosed colored glasses.

JasperBoy
11-21-2010, 04:51 PM
FWIW, Mark Pillay choreographed many programs for Emanuel Sandhu.

triple_toe
11-21-2010, 09:08 PM
I think their choreographer does a fantastic job at working within their limitations. Honestly, their lines and posture are pretty terrible, but their programs do the best to cover that up and keep the interest of the audience. It's not the choreographer's job to teach skaters deep edging, elegance, and posture; they just don't spend enough time with the skaters. Not everyone has the same opportunity as Yu Na, who worked with David Wilson everyday. I think Mark Pilay did a good job at using their perk and giving them programs that suit their strengths. The judges obviously like their programs.

I'm not a fan of M-T/M at all, because I hate how unrefined and messy they look, but I can hardly blame their choreographer for the fact that Kristen can't point her toes. At the very least, their choreography is better than the boring, empty programs of Dube & Davison.

The Accordion
11-21-2010, 09:17 PM
Well, wherever the commentar would be from that would say M-T/M have great choreography, that makes me question their taste level. If the choreography isn't there, don't say it's great :eville:



I think that saying the choreography "isn't there" is a bit of an exaggeration. It may not be the most sophisticated or orginal but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It isn't just crossover crossover element, crossover, crossover element without any details.

In addition - being that they are a fairly new team and she is fairly new to pairs- I would say that the choreography is well suited to where they are in their development.

Of course I can see why you disagree with it being "great" and it is your right to disagree with Tracy Wilson's taste.

Allen
11-22-2010, 01:34 AM
I think that saying the choreography "isn't there" is a bit of an exaggeration. It may not be the most sophisticated or orginal but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It isn't just crossover crossover element, crossover, crossover element without any details.


I would say it is crossover, crossover, some sort of entry variation, element without much to speak of in terms of other choreography or musical interpretation. Maybe saying it "isn't there" is a little harsh, but there isn't much of it there.

geoskate
11-22-2010, 05:18 AM
Even if that's true, I just think it's more likely that a Canadian commentator will have only good things to say about the Canadian team that's skating the best. It's much harder for any commentator to whip out any criticisms on TV when the home team is placing well.

You may think it's more likely, but in actual fact what The Accordian said is correct. If she doesn't like something, she either says something constructively critical or she says nothing at all, no matter how the team is placing. It's actually quite interesting to 'read between the lines' on what she says, or doesn't say.