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cx3
11-11-2010, 12:43 AM
I've noticed that Miki Ando no longer seems to attempt the 3F in her LP. The earliest I can find this happening is World 09. Can anyone think of a reason that she would do this? She is known as a jumper, after all.

burntBREAD
11-11-2010, 12:48 AM
I've noticed that Miki Ando no longer seems to attempt the 3F in her LP. The earliest I can find this happening is World 09. Can anyone think of a reason that she would do this? She is known as a jumper, after all.


Who knows? She used to lip but fixed the edge around 2007-08, and is doing flips quite well in SPs, so...yeah. No answer.

MikiAndoFan#1
11-11-2010, 12:52 AM
I've noticed that Miki Ando no longer seems to attempt the 3F in her LP. The earliest I can find this happening is World 09. Can anyone think of a reason that she would do this? She is known as a jumper, after all.

Miki used to take off from the wrong edge and since she fixed this problem, the Flip has become her most inconsistent jump. She still does one in the SP, though.

:)

Jenna
11-11-2010, 01:06 AM
Really? I've thought her flip was quite good actually. She seems to have the most trouble with rotating/landing the triple lutz.

pinky166
11-11-2010, 01:06 AM
Maybe her flip is prone to being under-rotated?

oleada
11-11-2010, 01:11 AM
Really? I've thought her flip was quite good actually. She seems to have the most trouble with rotating/landing the triple lutz.

She seems to tend to pop it/fall on it more often since she fixed the edge change.

MikiAndoFan#1
11-11-2010, 01:15 AM
She seems to tend to pop it/fall on it more often since she fixed the edge change.

Exactly.

:)

Jenna
11-11-2010, 01:24 AM
She seems to tend to pop it/fall on it more often since she fixed the edge change.

Okay, I see your point. I just remember her falling on the 3Lz at Worlds.

Lainerb
11-11-2010, 02:17 AM
Her flip faced some downgrades during 08-09 season, so perhaps that's why they took it out. Also, the point value between a 3loop and 3flip is now just .2 points so perhaps they figure it's not worth the risk any longer. If anything Miki should do two 3loops in her long program instead of two 3toes.

Milan
11-11-2010, 11:14 AM
I believe the flip has been present in her short programs over the past few seasons (unless I'm wrong), albeit it has been prone to downgrades. I do not see the rationale of doing a flip as a solo jump in the short program, only to leave it out in the long program.

briancoogaert
11-11-2010, 12:35 PM
While I perfectly understand why she is no longer attempting the 3Flip in the LP, I've never understood why she is still attempting it in the SP.
Her Loop is definitely better and more consistent.

pinky166
11-11-2010, 05:21 PM
While I perfectly understand why she is no longer attempting the 3Flip in the LP, I've never understood why she is still attempting it in the SP.
Her Loop is definitely better and more consistent.

Until this season 3f was worth a whole half point more than 3lo so she probably did it to have the most competitive jump layout.

oleada
11-11-2010, 05:48 PM
While I perfectly understand why she is no longer attempting the 3Flip in the LP, I've never understood why she is still attempting it in the SP.
Her Loop is definitely better and more consistent.

Well, if she plans to attempt the 3Lz+3Lo, she can't do the 3Lo as her solo jump.

wonderlen
11-12-2010, 05:43 PM
She did 3Lz+3Lo in her COC SP and bank 9 point for that combo even with the < and -GEO. I think she will put that combo in the LP as the season goes and by the time major events come, GPF, National, 4CC, World so she cannot put another solo 3Lo in her program. If she nail 3Lz+3Lo, 2A+3T, 3Lo, 3S, 3Lz, 3T, 2A+2Lo+2Lo, the jumps content will be pretty competitive even with a <.

Fallcolor
11-12-2010, 06:23 PM
Funny thing is, the last time she landed the 3lz+3loop of this quality was 2 years ago at COC too. Only thing is she got full credit for it. :lol:

She should replace the flip, her worse jump, for the sal, her best jump IMO.The flip may gain her about a point more, but she likely will not get positive GOE's for it, not to mention, it is wildly inconsistent. She could instead be putting some efforts in trying a variety of entrances and or footwork leading into the salchow to get the quality marks. IMO. :)