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JerseySlore
11-10-2010, 11:55 AM
Given how Johnny dresses recently in public, I don't see any problem with Toller's choice of word ("raving ~"). He's free to wear whatever horror he wants to, others are free to vomit in disgust. :blah:

So in your opinion, the way one dresses justifies any homophobic slur directed at him?

I'm with aftershock on this one. I don't think Toller meant raving homosexual as derogatory.

Jun Y
11-10-2010, 04:01 PM
He makes me laugh. :D I doubt he wants others to take him too seriously. Now I am curious about his books, especially the Nepela incident. Still, the jab at Brian Boitano was uncalled for. Boitano may not have ended up an artist putting on exhibitions in galleries, but he is now a celebrity TV chef!

DickButtonFan
11-10-2010, 04:07 PM
That's Johnny in 20 yrs, u heard it here 1st
:D

danceronice
11-10-2010, 05:19 PM
His clothes just bug the hell out of you don't they? :lol:

Since I assume igniculus is blessed with the gift of sight, I can see why! ;)

I don't think it was "homophobic" (from TOLLER CRANSTON?), just highly opinionated. And I don't think the judges' problem was Johnny's in-your-face fashion sense. Rather it was his needlessly void program.

aliceanne
11-10-2010, 05:34 PM
I would love to hear Toller's dish on the Orser;/Kim split - he was in Toronto in August. I'm sure it would be hilarious. But maybe those wounds are still too raw...

Btw, I bought 2 of his small paintings a couple of years ago. They are more detailed and colorful than they appear online. My local frame shop loved them and wanted to market them locally.

kimkom
11-10-2010, 05:38 PM
Well as someone who was a huge Toller fan, my level of respect for him has gone down lots (not that he would lose sleep over it). I thought he came across as a bitter old queen regarding his competing, figures and the rest. I also hated the fact that he said he is "embarrassed" to be a figure skater. If he's that embarrassed don't do interviews and ignore rquests that have anything to do with the sport. I feel disappointed myself because someone I admired from a far has just shown me a side of them I didn't really know existed. (I haven't read any of his books, just loved his skating and thought of him as a ground breaker in the sport). Okay, my rant is over. Time for a cocktail.
Oh, loved the comments on Stoijko.


He makes me laugh. :D I doubt he wants others to take him too seriously. Now I am curious about his books, especially the Nepela incident. Still, the jab at Brian Boitano was uncalled for. Boitano may not have ended up an artist putting on exhibitions in galleries, but he is now a celebrity TV chef!

You really do have to read his books to know where he's coming from. Whether his feelings are right or wrong, he's very honest (obviously :lol: ) and admits he is, without question, a drama queen. :glamor: He also has no problem talking about his faults and weaknesses...with a whole lot of snark. :P

I appreciate that honesty, and I actually agree with most of what he says.

And I lurves me a flaming homosexual.... :smokin:

Gil-Galad
11-10-2010, 06:58 PM
Hmm. I like his art. It looks amazing. The interview is very interesting too.

I don't really do political correctness - but the "retarded"-comment is bugging the hell out of me. It just does. I think it was completely unnecessary in this context. Not everybody who enjoys a routine requiring frequent repetition, utmost attention and precision is necessarily of low intelligence. They might just be interested in that sort of stuff, or slightly quirky - or autistic. And even if they have a lower intelligence, they don't deserve to be called the r-word either.

REO
11-10-2010, 09:15 PM
Since I assume igniculus is blessed with the gift of sight, I can see why! ;)

And yet taste in fashion is a matter of opinion. And we all know the old saying about that. ;)

Dragonlady
11-10-2010, 09:26 PM
You really do have to read his books to know where he's coming from. Whether his feelings are right or wrong, he's very honest (obviously :lol: ) and admits he is, without question, a drama queen. :glamor: He also has no problem talking about his faults and weaknesses...with a whole lot of snark. :P

I appreciate that honesty, and I actually agree with most of what he says

In regards to Toller's "honesty", many people have taken issue with the "facts" contained in Tollers books over the years and with good reason. He has very selective memory and in some cases, what he swears happened, quite simply didn't happen at all.

One person he claims to have had an affair with at a particular time, was able to demonstrate that he wasn't at the event Toller claimed he attended and where they had an affair.

Toller has never let the facts get in the way of a good story. Every time he publishes a book, numerous people take issue with his recollections of events.

igniculus
11-10-2010, 09:39 PM
:lol: What days were those, btw? And, what is your definition of "dress up decently" in general, and regarding Johnny in particular?

2005 (http://i53.tinypic.com/6s8lq9.jpg) 2005 (http://i56.tinypic.com/33pbxgx.jpg) 2006 (http://i52.tinypic.com/2gvr5aq.jpg) 2006 (http://i56.tinypic.com/4kh7vb.jpg) 2006 (http://i51.tinypic.com/24pghu9.jpg) 2006 (http://i51.tinypic.com/oqhzd4.jpg) 2007 (http://i56.tinypic.com/263y4g6.jpg) 2007 (http://i52.tinypic.com/fxmxf.jpg) 2008 (http://i54.tinypic.com/2a0htmc.jpg) 2008 (http://i52.tinypic.com/29p9opg.jpg)

A random selection. But I get where you're coming from - he'd be way too "boring" like that. :P


So in your opinion, the way one dresses justifies any homophobic slur directed at him?

If you think running aroung in public in such a costume (http://pics.livejournal.com/facecat/pic/001tbt71) is completely fine, then my answer is yes. One would think being gay gave him a little sense of style. Apparently, not. :blah:

kimkom
11-10-2010, 11:15 PM
If you think running aroung in public in such a costume (http://pics.livejournal.com/facecat/pic/001tbt71) is completely fine, then my answer is yes. One would think being gay gave him a little sense of style. Apparently, not. :blah:

I'll give him a pass on that one, considering it was Halloween.

danceronice
11-11-2010, 12:04 AM
I'll give him a pass on that one, considering it was Halloween.

I do not want to know what kind of party he was going to....

REO
11-11-2010, 04:46 AM
Once again a thread that Johnny was only mentioned in passing becomes all about him and the same old complaints that some of you have about him. How does he do it?! Admit it. You all love him. lol

Snowgirl
11-11-2010, 07:55 AM
2005 (http://i53.tinypic.com/6s8lq9.jpg) 2005 (http://i56.tinypic.com/33pbxgx.jpg) 2006 (http://i52.tinypic.com/2gvr5aq.jpg) 2006 (http://i56.tinypic.com/4kh7vb.jpg) 2006 (http://i51.tinypic.com/24pghu9.jpg) 2006 (http://i51.tinypic.com/oqhzd4.jpg) 2007 (http://i56.tinypic.com/263y4g6.jpg) 2007 (http://i52.tinypic.com/fxmxf.jpg) 2008 (http://i54.tinypic.com/2a0htmc.jpg) 2008 (http://i52.tinypic.com/29p9opg.jpg)

A random selection. But I get where you're coming from - he'd be way too "boring" like that. :P



If you think running aroung in public in such a costume (http://pics.livejournal.com/facecat/pic/001tbt71) is completely fine, then my answer is yes. One would think being gay gave him a little sense of style. Apparently, not. :blah:

Come on. You are comparing everyday clothes to a Halloween costume. It's not like he is running around backstage at the shows or meeting fans or going sightseeing in this Porno Robot outfit. None of of your examples are party clothes or red carpet outfits (except some pics from closing banquets, but closing banquets at competitions are way different from parties he attends now). If you check his up-to-date pics with fans, at shows backstage and so on, it will look like ones you posted.

Jun Y
11-11-2010, 11:49 PM
Although I think Toller Cranston was mostly making fun in his interview, I wholeheartedly agree with his comment that figure skating is theater of the absurd. It still is, even without figures. A clusterf*** of the absurd theater, perhaps. :D