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pinky166
11-08-2010, 05:19 AM
I haven't seen Verner's CoC performances yet and I wonder if I'll get over my irrational dislike of him after I see them. ;P

I hope he's happy in Canada and getting on with the new coach. It was sad to see him bombing to that extent last season.

His LP is exciting because he went almost entirely clean, just doubled one loop, he landed and rotated everything else! I was so proud of him. I think he and his new coach have a good strategy, focusing on consistency, stamina, and skating clean programs before putting too much attention toward the quad. I hope he does well at his next GP, it's a pretty competitive lineup. What do people think of Tomas vs. Jeremy Abbott? They will be going head to head in Russia in 2 weeks. I tend to think if they both skate well they are pretty comparable, but that's just my opinion.

aftershocks
11-08-2010, 06:00 AM
Abbott and Verner -- interesting comparison. I think they each have a unique style and completely different personalities. Abbott seems to perform more within himself, while Verner is more of an extrovert who plays to the audience. Great skating skills for both -- perhaps Abbott is a bit more attuned to music (on manleywoman's podcast, Abbott's mother was interviewed and she said that Jeremy often picks and cuts his own music). Taking into consideration that there will be others competing with them in the field, and that its hard to know what judges will do, both Jeremy and Tomas have to skate to their abilities. If Abbott is landing quads and Verner is focused on going clean, then I think obviously Abbott is ahead. In any case, Abbott's lp is a bit more intricate and deep. I do think Verner has more of a crowd-pleasing personality, but overall it's the level you reach on the ice and putting it all together, not how much the audience likes you (can't forget the politics too, because Mroz placed in front of Verner seems more than a bit ominous, but Verner should keep working hard and reaching his goals and not get down about arbitrary judges' decisions when he knows how well he's performed).

deedeelocks
11-08-2010, 08:41 AM
His LP is exciting because he went almost entirely clean, just doubled one loop, he landed and rotated everything else!
The judges didn't give him the 2nd axel. It was UR according to them :confused: He would have been 2nd otherwise.

perhaps Abbott is a bit more attuned to music (on manleywoman's podcast, Abbott's mother was interviewed and she said that Jeremy often picks and cuts his own music)
Tomas picked his own music too this year.

aftershocks
11-08-2010, 09:23 AM
Well, I guess a lot of skaters have some input in music choices, especially as they gain experience and develop as seniors. It's something else to cut your own music -- I think that takes some knowledge of music, which I think Jeremy has, plus he was also an ice dancer early in his skating career. Does Tomas cut his music too? Whoever chose that jazz piece from a couple of seasons ago, for Tomas, ... that was a great choice, program, and performance. I think that perhaps Tomas' freewheeling, carefree way of skating somehow belies his intensity and desire.

ninadel
11-08-2010, 10:18 AM
What do people think of Tomas vs. Jeremy Abbott? They will be going head to head in Russia in 2 weeks. I tend to think if they both skate well they are pretty comparable, but that's just my opinion.

Jeremy's my other favourite male skater, so I'm going to root for both of them. Assuming that Patrick will medal even if he sits down for the entire program, I'd hope that these two get the remaining two medals.

-At NHK Jeremy got very similar TES scores (67.15) to Tomas in CoC (68.94).
-Both are using lutz temporarily as a placeholder for the quad.
-Jeremy doesn't really have any weaknesses technically and is more likely to milk PCS with difficult transitions. Tomas needs to work on his spins, but has more exciting footwork and jumps.
-Jeremy's Life is Beautiful program already looks like a finished product. Tomas' MJ is a little sloppy but will probably come together as the season continues.
-Jeremy is more of an early season skater, Tomas a late season skater.

I would predict that Jeremy would beat Tomas in Russia if he skates clean because he's better prepared at this point, but by the end of the season (assuming both are healthy) Tomas will up his game.

I think people underestimate Tomas as an artist because he's getting the reputation of being a crowdpleaser. He's like a Candeloro but with strong skating skills and dancer-like qualities. Back-to-back with Mroz you can see how Tomas really uses his shoulders and arms, but it's so natural that it's easy to take for granted.

MikiAndoFan#1
11-08-2010, 10:24 AM
With Tomas the most important thing is stamina. He already has enough of everything else.

True. Go Tomás!

:cheer2:

Artifice
11-08-2010, 11:12 AM
Sure T Verner is great, he has charisma and charm. He performs very well on his Michael Jackson program. However I don't think it was well choreographed. Obviously he chose the lyrical aspect of Michael Jackson's music to cut his music. And he indeed skates very smoothly, which is interesting since other skaters who skate on MJ's songs tend to be histeric which is exactly the contrary of what should be done IMO. But still it was so smooth that he forgot to put the hip hop energic moves.
Amodio is too histeric for me but he put the energy into the choreography.

It's indeed very hard to skate correctly on Jackson's song !

There is another skater who uses Jackson's songs this year, I forgot his name, can someone see who I'm talking about ? I thing it's a japanese skater, not sure though. Well, I find that this skater uses the music the best I've seen this year. He really get the feel of the tempo and uses the right moves, not too much, not to little neither.
Need to recall his name...

HisWeirness
11-08-2010, 02:26 PM
I really enjoyed Verner's skating at CoC. Hoping he can make a run at the podium at Euros. :D

Finnice
11-08-2010, 03:36 PM
:cheer2::cheer2::cheer2::cheer2::cheer2:
Tomas to all the podiums!
May the glove rule this season!
:cheer::cheer::cheer::cheer::cheer:

pinky166
11-08-2010, 05:31 PM
Jeremy's my other favourite male skater, so I'm going to root for both of them. Assuming that Patrick will medal even if he sits down for the entire program, I'd hope that these two get the remaining two medals.

-At NHK Jeremy got very similar TES scores (67.15) to Tomas in CoC (68.94).
-Both are using lutz temporarily as a placeholder for the quad.
-Jeremy doesn't really have any weaknesses technically and is more likely to milk PCS with difficult transitions. Tomas needs to work on his spins, but has more exciting footwork and jumps.
-Jeremy's Life is Beautiful program already looks like a finished product. Tomas' MJ is a little sloppy but will probably come together as the season continues.
-Jeremy is more of an early season skater, Tomas a late season skater.

I would predict that Jeremy would beat Tomas in Russia if he skates clean because he's better prepared at this point, but by the end of the season (assuming both are healthy) Tomas will up his game.

I think people underestimate Tomas as an artist because he's getting the reputation of being a crowdpleaser. He's like a Candeloro but with strong skating skills and dancer-like qualities. Back-to-back with Mroz you can see how Tomas really uses his shoulders and arms, but it's so natural that it's easy to take for granted.

Tomas and Jeremy also got very similar PCS scores at their first GPs, 75.56 vs 76.42, so they are clearly very comparable in that respect as well. I like Tomas's SP better than Jeremy's but Jeremy's LP better than Tomas's, at least at this point.

I think a lot will depend on if either men attempts the quad in the FS at COR and if Tomas gets edge calls on his flip again (he did at CoC but usually he doesn't). Jeremy fell on his 4t most of the time last season, while the 4t was one of Tomas's strongest elements last season; if they both attempt and land the quad, I tend to think Tomas would garner more +GOE for it as his jumps just seem bigger all around. However, if one of them attempts the quad and falls on it, while the other does a lutz instead and has a clean/nearly clean performance, it's a toss up over who will win.

I assume neither Jeremy nor Tomas will be attempting the quad in the SP at COR, so if they both go clean and Tomas doesn't get an edge call on his flip, I'd say he has a good chance to be ahead of Jeremy after the SP as I personally find his SP much more entertaining and watchable. The FS I tend to think Jeremy can win, but if he goes for the quad and falls on it, Tomas may be able to edge him out overall with a good performance - with or without the quad. The PCS should be very comparable and while Jeremy is generally better at spins, he was also having spin troubles at NHK, one of his spins in the SP didn't count and then he got some low levels in the LP. In terms of footwork, I think Tomas is slightly better, but again they are pretty comparable. I think a lot will come down to execution and the decision both men make about the quad, and if they land it should they decide to go for it. COR will be a nailbiter!

deedeelocks
11-08-2010, 08:53 PM
if Tomas gets edge calls on his flip again (he did at CoC but usually he doesn't)
I think he lips most of the time though, but sometimes the judges are just being nice ;)

pinky166
11-08-2010, 10:28 PM
I think he lips most of the time though, but sometimes the judges are just being nice ;)

Poo. Maybe he will switch and do 3lz-3t as his combo then and do 3f or 4t out of steps?

siberia82
11-09-2010, 09:46 PM
I'm soooooooooo glad to see Tomas gain some consistency! :rollin: It's been ages since he looked happy at a competition, and for once I didn't feel anxious while he competed. At this point, I don't really care if he medals or not----I just don't want him to bomb like he did in the past. If Verner can get on the podium, then so much the better, but as a fan, it's more important for me to be able to enjoy his performance without nervously biting my fingernails the whole time. ;)

Simone411
11-09-2010, 11:13 PM
I love the name of this thread because it's true, IMO; Tomas is awesome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_MhhCNHQa4 :40beers: :respec:

pinky166
11-09-2010, 11:15 PM
I love the name of this thread because it's true, IMO; Tomas is awesome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_MhhCNHQa4 :40beers: :respec:

Apparently he's a really nice guy too. And smart, he speaks Czech, German, English, and French, wow!