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judgejudy27
11-03-2010, 05:07 AM
Who do you believe will be the Chinese #2 pair this season behind Pang & Tong.

oleada
11-03-2010, 06:03 AM
I don't believe Sui is eligible to compete as a senior. In any case, if the Zhangs are healthy, I don't think Sui/Han can overtake them...yet. Her jumps are a bit weak and a lot of aspects of their skating are still very juniorish.

judgejudy27
11-03-2010, 06:26 AM
The pairs field is so weak this year. It is good to see so many young teams coming up but it will be awhile until it morphs into a strong field. Pang & Tong and Savchenko & Szolkowy are locks to go 1-2 at Worlds this year in one order or another, could probably both fall 3 times and still go 1-2 unless the top Russian pair returns in decent shape. Kavaguti & Smirnov are the only team that can challenge and beat those two times but she is always getting injured and they are always falling in big events, so we will see. Then after that there is pretty much....nothing, other than teams of the future, has beens, or pretenders. I guess this is a year of transition in all events though like many post Olympics years ever. Except for the dance which pretty much has everyone who didnt retire before last years Worlds back.

SamuraiK
11-03-2010, 03:54 PM
Sui is too young for 4CC or Worlds. Male Zhang is injured and they probably miss this season. So we'll problably end up at Worlds with Dong&Wu and Zhang&Wang:rolleyes:

sequinsgalore
11-03-2010, 05:58 PM
I think Zhang/Zhang will remain #2, unless they are forced to retire due to injury, or Pang/Tong retire. Sui/Han are still too young to compete at worlds, but if they continue to progress, who knows what will happen.

So China will perhaps lose their 3rd spot at Worlds? (Not that they have 3 great teams to compete, as they used to)

Ziggy
11-05-2010, 09:54 PM
Sui is too young for 4CC or Worlds. Male Zhang is injured and they probably miss this season. So we'll problably end up at Worlds with Dong&Wu and Zhang&Wang:rolleyes:

Exactly. :scream:

judgejudy27
11-05-2010, 10:10 PM
Will Sui & Han be eligible for Worlds in 2012? I wouldnt be surprised to see the Zhangs not return at this point anyway.

Ziggy
11-05-2010, 10:27 PM
Will Sui & Han be eligible for Worlds in 2012? I wouldnt be surprised to see the Zhangs not return at this point anyway.

Yes.

I'm praying Zhangs retire and Pang gets pregnant and they quit too.

burntBREAD
11-05-2010, 10:38 PM
Yes.

I'm praying Zhangs retire and Pang gets pregnant and they quit too.

Do you like Sui/Han? (or Shen/Zhao, I know you why you don't like Pang/Tong and Zhang/Zhang, and I can see why, particularly with lady Zhang :o)

Ziggy
11-05-2010, 10:45 PM
I can't imagine how you could not like Sui/Han. ;)

They're not only technically very proficient but also skate to the music and have very complex programs with tons of transitions.

As for Shen/Zhao, I've said more than enough during the Olympic season. :P

Andrey aka Pushkin
11-05-2010, 10:48 PM
Sui&Han are fab with their energy and excitement.
But, of course, in the terms of technique, they should have been 4th today.
Ok, make it 3rd - above P/T.

yaoyao
11-06-2010, 02:57 AM
After seeing SP of COC, Sui&Han may become Chinese #1.hahaha

blue_idealist
11-07-2010, 02:13 AM
Sui and Han have a lot of potential, but are still really rough around the edges. Give them three years!

Ziggy
11-07-2010, 02:40 AM
Sui and Han have a lot of potential, but are still really rough around the edges. Give them three years!

The point with them is that because their programs are so damn busy, you don't notice the sloppiness, messiness and bad edges.

I really hope they are going to work on those issues.

On the other hand, you got Pang/Tong with weak basic skating and godawful lines, etc. after all these years. :P

And with no incentive to improve on any those aspects, as they are getting extremely high PCS anyhow. :drama:

judgejudy27
11-07-2010, 08:04 AM
After watching Cup of China I think if Sui & Han can develop more consistently they will quickly pass the fading Zhangs as the #2 Chinese pair (if the Zhangs return at all that is). Without their mistakes they would have scored higher than the Zhangs are even capable of scoring at this point. Their PCS are still low but the Zhangs PCS last year were down at the bottom of the second tier teams so that isnt much of a problem vs them.

Protocal will keep Pang & Tong as the #1 Chinese pair for atleast 2 more seasons unless they continue to skate as poorly as they did at Cup of China or they retire as well.