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Tak
10-24-2010, 04:17 AM
Still getting over the shock of how bad they looked at NHK and how awful their programs are. They totally deserved 5th place. What happened to them?

When they left their Italian coaches they were in the top 10 and moving up. Last year with their new French coaches they were 12th. It seems likely they wont even make the GPF this year, and they were just passed by 2 teams straight out of juniors. At this rate, they'll be lucky to make top 15 at Worlds.

If I were them, I'd be looking around for new coaches ASAP - and I'd do it now and not wait til next season.

I think they also need new programs fast, so I'd also be looking for a new choreographer. Since they wont be in the GPF [most likely] they'll have some time to work on new programs before Euros.

But come on - Anna & Luca - stop screwing around in Lyons. Time to Say Goodbye.

inflameduntamed
10-24-2010, 04:51 AM
Hm, I wouldn't say their SD is awful. Especially because they won the Nebelhorn SD with it, even over P/B. I haven't had a chance to see their free dance though, so I can't comment on that.

When exactly did they move to the French coaches? It seems their placement at Worlds was more to do with a mistake than with bad programs or technique, right?

Tak
10-24-2010, 05:04 AM
When exactly did they move to the French coaches?

I'm not sure exactly when, but sometime before the last season [Olympic season] started. Before that, each year they were advancing forward. Last year [with the new coaches] they had that goth look, drug addict FD to god-awful music [which probably resulted in the "uplifting"rule talk] . Tastes differ, but I hated it and for whatever reason they didnt do well with it. C/P nearly beat them in GPF FD, and they fell to 12th at Worlds. It had to be more than 1 mistake for them to fall so much, and they werent doing that well all season.

It's more than just making an occasional mistake - which can happen to anybody. Or even just having a bad performance. Looking at last season and their opening now, it's a consistent slide - and in ice dance that's a very bad sign. Perception is important. Being passed by 2 junior teams should be a huge wake-up call to them.

To me, they looked obviously under-prepared for the NHK - and that is certainly the fault of the coaches. The music choice for the FD is odd to say the least, and Doris Day for the SD????? Ugh!

Libertango
10-24-2010, 08:33 AM
It's more than just making an occasional mistake - which can happen to anybody.
They have a huge consistency problem IMO. I don't know if it's nerves or what...but they seem to make mistakes all the time. And that's never good in ice dance.

DORISPULASKI
10-25-2010, 12:21 AM
Will they get passed by Alessandrini and Vaturi at Italian Nationals? That is possible.

Whom should they go to? To Camarlengo, maybe? Surely not to Shpilband with everybody else in the world.

Tak
10-25-2010, 01:20 AM
Do you know what's happened to A/V? They suddenly have their names crossed out of their GP events. It's a shame, because a good result at GP for them would help them at Nationals. And C/L look definitely vulnerable.

As for who to go to - well I could say almost anyone would be an improvement on their present coach :)

Besides Camerlengo, there is C/P coaches, also Paul MacIntosh, there are also coaches in Italy [I dont know there names but I've seen them with couples] and I'm sure there are coaches in Russia too - 2 I know of are K/N's old coaches, and Gorshkov. So there are a lot of coaches around for them if they're looking - whcih they should be.

nro
10-25-2010, 04:26 AM
I hated last year's FD but really enjoyed both of their programs this year. I think their problem is simply their inconsistency and perhaps they don't have as much difficulty outside of the required elements.

DORISPULASKI
10-25-2010, 08:47 AM
Do you know what's happened to A/V? They suddenly have their names crossed out of their GP events. It's a shame, because a good result at GP for them would help them at Nationals. And C/L look definitely vulnerable.

As for who to go to - well I could say almost anyone would be an improvement on their present coach :)

Besides Camerlengo, there is C/P coaches, also Paul MacIntosh, there are also coaches in Italy [I dont know there names but I've seen them with couples] and I'm sure there are coaches in Russia too - 2 I know of are K/N's old coaches, and Gorshkov. So there are a lot of coaches around for them if they're looking - whcih they should be.

I don't know what happened to A/V, but their names are still on the Skate Canada roster, as of today (oct 25)?

http://www.isuresults.com/events/cat00007086.htm

Tak
10-25-2010, 09:11 AM
I don't know what happened to A/V, but their names are still on the Skate Canada roster, as of today (oct 25)?

http://www.isuresults.com/events/cat00007086.htm

That's strange, because when I downloaded the PDF chart of Ice Dance participants for the 6 events, there was a line through their names both times. I wonder what's going on?

Ituriel
10-25-2010, 01:26 PM
C/L don't need a coaching change. You can see the improvement when they are ON. Their SD is amazing, the FD is just fine.

IMO, the inconsistency problem is psychological. How is the relantioship with their coaches? How is the relationship between them? Are they an off ice couple? Or was they?:rolleyes:

F/S also suffered inconsistency troubles in the past.

robinhood
10-25-2010, 07:30 PM
I thought Luca was from the Eville Side:EVILLE:. He's too cute to be straight. At least that's what I dream everynight:swoon:

inflameduntamed
10-26-2010, 04:50 AM
Haha. If I remember correctly, they did say they have dated before in an interview. I also remember them raising the possibility of working in Delaware with someone, but I don't know of who that would be.

Anyway, I don't think their last year was that bad. Two GP silvers and one of their better Euros placements. There wasn't much of a difference after the change to me. They still seem to be inconsistent but are getting slightly better and better results each time overall.

casken
10-26-2010, 05:05 AM
F/S also suffered inconsistency troubles in the past.

This.

F&S languished in the bottom half of top of the top ten for years.(9th,9th,8th,9th) I remember after their disastrous 9th place finish in 2007 there was speculation that they would be passed by C&L by the 2010 Games.

Much like F&S, C&L just need to get good programs and get over their consistency issues.

I'm willing to give the current FD another shot when skated well, as I like the potential vibe the program has.

Tak
10-26-2010, 05:11 AM
F&S languished in the bottom half of top of the top ten for years.(9th,9th,8th,9th) I remember after their disastrous 9th place finish in 2007 there was speculation that they would be passed by C&L by the 2010 Games.

Isnt that why they went to Krylova/Camerlengo? I thought their placements started improving substantially with their new coaches [not to mention their skating and their programs.]

TwizzlerS
10-26-2010, 05:41 AM
I'd like to believe Tanith's assessment of C&L's FD performance-- that is was a bad outing and they should forget it and move on. I'd like to believe this because I loved this team when they first came on the senior scene. But, I also question the wisdom of giving a gorgeous young couple a drug-addict themed program last year and this year choreographing that horrible crotch lift that is in both their SD and their FD.