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cailuj365
09-22-2010, 06:45 PM
Oh, so it's confirmed. JLo, Steven Tyler, and Randy are the judges for this season. Also, the chairman for Interscope/Geffen/A&M, who's also a producer for some big names, is going to mentor in an episode. That would be pretty useful, I think.

Kruss
09-22-2010, 06:59 PM
But please, the guest host on Daily 10 was ridiculous. He "apologized if offense was taken" nevermind that he GAVE offense by insinuating that gay men enjoy being in prison because they are with other men. :rolleyes: Um yeah, because straight women totally enjoy prison for the same reason. He was completely out of line. He's also made constant homophobic jokes on his radio station and posts pictures of "You're a fag!" on his facebook. Guy is a homophobe, and karma is just now getting back to him. If there were no "loud" Glamberts and others who didn't voice their displeasure, GLAAD would have never known and they would never have contacted E! to get them to air an apology. Maybe now that guy'll think twice before saying something rash about gay men again. It sucks that Sal is out of a job, but again, it's not Glamberts who did killed his show. It was probably long-term poor ratings or it not being worth the money to produce. They shouldn't be rubbing it in his face, but being spiteful is an easy reaction and people tend to lack tact at times like this.



If they really cared about this stuff as they say they do, then they'd be doing the same to Chelsea Handler. But they're not.

genevieve
09-22-2010, 07:10 PM
Oh, so it's confirmed. JLo, Steven Tyler, and Randy are the judges for this season. Also, the chairman for Interscope/Geffen/A&M, who's also a producer for some big names, is going to mentor in an episode. That would be pretty useful, I think.
This makes me interested in watching this season. I've been a fair-weather friend to AI for years (after watching every ep and voting up a storm the first several seasons), and missed all but 1-2 eps last season. Hated Kara. I think bringing in superstars from very different genres of music (and "performance", since JLo isn't exactly known for her vocal prowess) is brill.

Allskate
09-22-2010, 07:20 PM
I'll reserve judgment about the new judging panel until after we see them a few times. Tyler only recently was dealing with his addiction and doesn't seem to work well or responsibly with his band, so he could be a train wreck. Maybe that's what they want. Or maybe they just want a rocker to balance the panel. J.Lo was not all memorable as a mentor, but hopefully she'll have something useful to offer beyond "I like your outfit." But, I'm just so glad Kara is gone. She was worse than useless; she was freaking annoying and gave advice that wasn't very good for the show. I hope these judges are open to a more varied range of music and contestants.

WindSpirit
09-22-2010, 07:23 PM
It's time to start another thread.

(I moved a few posts from the previous one)

Aceon6
09-22-2010, 08:14 PM
I'll reserve judgment about the new judging panel until after we see them a few times. Tyler only recently was dealing with his addiction and doesn't seem to work well or responsibly with his band, so he could be a train wreck. Maybe that's what they want. Or maybe they just want a rocker to balance the panel. J.Lo was not all memorable as a mentor, but hopefully she'll have something useful to offer beyond "I like your outfit." But, I'm just so glad Kara is gone. She was worse than useless; she was freaking annoying and gave advice that wasn't very good for the show. I hope these judges are open to a more varied range of music and contestants.

I think this gives each contestant (other than country) a potential advocate on the panel which is a good thing.

Rob
09-22-2010, 08:16 PM
I might have to watch this to see Steven Tyler.

cailuj365
09-22-2010, 08:22 PM
If they really cared about this stuff as they say they do, then they'd be doing the same to Chelsea Handler. But they're not.

Of course Adam Lambert's fans are against homophobia, but they're fans of Adam Lambert, which means that they don't watch clips of Chelsea Handler when she's talking about George Michael. Maybe George Michael's fans should have contacted GLAAD or made their own protest to Chelsea. I'm sure Adam's fans would support such a protest, so I don't see how it's hypocrisy. Chelsea's jokes were majorly lame and low at the VMAs and she was criticized for it, so maybe she's getting back her own karma as well.



We'll see if this new judging panel is any good. Maybe they will be, maybe they won't. Hopefully, the contestants will be more lively and strong. I read a fan account from someone who auditioned in Texas and she said that the judges (who were college students) cut hundreds of actually good singers and only selected country girls or kids who looked like Justin Bieber. :wideeyes:

genevieve
09-22-2010, 08:53 PM
it's a long known fact that singing talent is nowhere near the top criteria for getting on the show, but AI used college students as judges during the audition rounds? :huh:

PeterG
09-22-2010, 10:07 PM
Interesting info in this yahoo article...

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/reuters/100922/entertainment/centertainment_us_americanidol


"American Idol" producers announced other big changes to get away from what they called the "karaoke" feel of the show...

I hope they pick the best singers/performers instead of trying to appeal to certain demographics or try to avoid picking a new "(fill in a past winner here)" who would compete with a previous winner. I'd love to see a top 10 with the talent of Kelly, Carrie, Jennifer, David, Adam, etc. all going head-to-head with major talent all around. Please don't put any novelty acts into the top 10 to "spice things up".


Universal Music executive Jimmy Iovine will act as an in-house mentor and will be featured behind the scenes working weekly with

Iovine has worked with John Lennon, Bruce Springsteen, Eminem, U2, Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers, 50 Cents, Enrique Iglesias, Simple Minds, Dire Straits, Patti Smith and Stevie Nicks. 'Nuff said.


Major record producers like Timbaland also will work with the contestants, but celebrity guest mentors will not be used and contestants must dance more.

We've asked in our AI threads for more current people to work with the contestants and now we got Timbaland!!! :cheer2: :D

I also like how they will promote all-around entertainers with more focus on performance (through dance) and not just have people stand their and sing. This is about live performances, not listening to a CD.


Tyler said on Wednesday he wanted to "bring some rock to this rollercoaster".

"I want to give everybody a little love before I decide who goes home heartbroken. If you don't like what I say, don't get mad, get better," the colorful Aerosmith showman added.


:respec:


Lythgoe said that contestants would no longer be made to sing different genres each week, like country, disco or rock, but would be encouraged to perfect their own original style.

My first thought is that I don't like this. Kelly Clarkson and Carrie Underwood could sing ANY genre, and do it brilliantly. If you want to find an all-around entertainer, challenge them to sing anything and everything.


Lopez, star of movies like "The Wedding Planner", said she had long been a fan of the show and that the opportunity to be a judge "felt like the right thing at the right time for me."

Seems to me that when Lopez mentored on the show a few years back, people (grudgingly?) admitted that she was pretty good. Now it seems we're back to slamming her. Personally, I'm a big JLo fan (and I think Tyler has one of the best rock voices ever), so I can't wait to see how things go with our new judges. :40beers:

Allskate
09-22-2010, 10:42 PM
I also like how they will promote all-around entertainers with more focus on performance (through dance) and not just have people stand their and sing. This is about live performances, not listening to a CD.

I'm not sure I agree. I think they barely have time to learn the song. They don't have time to perfect dance. But, if were just about having a good stage presence and not having a deer in the headlights look and looking really stiff, then I'm good with that. And I wouldn't want the staging to be all that important of weight in the judging because that's something that's much easier for someone to learn with experience than the actual singing is. The singing is the most important thing IMO. The prize is a recording contract. Plus, personally, I'm fine with seeing someone in concert who doesn't dance. I hope this show doesn't turn into the hunt for the next Britney or Rhianna.


My first thought is that I don't like this. Kelly Clarkson and Carrie Underwood could sing ANY genre, and do it brilliantly. If you want to find an all-around entertainer, challenge them to sing anything and everything.


I LOVE that they're doing away with themes! No more Manilow night! No more country night! They're not looking for an all-around entertainer. The winners end up recording albums and doing concerts in certain genres, not a mix of country/rap/pop/r&b/rock/folk. I so don't care if Carrie can sing more than country pop. I don't care if Ruben can sing country at all. I don't care what most recording artists can sing outside of what they do on their CDs and in concert. Why force people to sing songs and genres they don't like or aren't good at, especially if they're really good at what they do?

That's good that Tyler wants to bring in rock, but I hope he's appreciative of other genres too. I think Kara and Simon both had limited taste and weren't good at critiquing singers who didn't share their taste.

genevieve
09-22-2010, 11:13 PM
I'm all for focusing on the performances and not just a technically proficient vocal - but
contestants must dance more
makes me :rolleyes:

Some people should NOT dance (notably the dead wife guy from a few seasons ago). And I don't want to see singers dance unless they can provide the appropriate vocals, LIVE, with whatever movement they come up with.

It just makes me think of a local pre-professional signing choir that includes cheesy choreograhy for all, but requires its female members to take jazz dance. Twee x infinity.

Kruss
09-22-2010, 11:46 PM
Why allow the contestants to perfect their own genre when the winners will be forced to sing pop anyway? I mean, I applaud this move even though I like themes to show someone is a versatile singer, but unfortunately the winners aren't given free reign to sing their own genre anyway, with a few exceptions like Underwood.

LadyGray
09-23-2010, 12:12 AM
Why allow the contestants to perfect their own genre when the winners will be forced to sing pop anyway? I mean, I applaud this move even though I like themes to show someone is a versatile [B]singer[B], but unfortunately the winners aren't given free reign to sing their own genre anyway, with a few exceptions like Underwood.

Wait... which winners have recorded albums outside of their genre? I haven't watched all of the seasons, but I can't think of any who have been forced into something outside of their comfort zone, etc.

cailuj365
09-23-2010, 12:41 AM
it's a long known fact that singing talent is nowhere near the top criteria for getting on the show, but AI used college students as judges during the audition rounds? :huh:

Yeah, I just talked to the person who auditioned, and she said that the judges for these early rounds were pretty much college kids. The only people that she saw that were let through were guitar-playing guys, country girls, Bieber clones, and random trainwrecks/joke fodder. :rolleyes: She said it also really depended on which table you got to sing for. Some tables let almost no one through while other tables were much more lenient.

I think the Interscope producer + Timbaland idea is AWESOME. Maybe these kids will actually get to sing current music now, idk. I'm glad that they're doing away with the limited, old theme weeks too. No one does the versatility thing anymore. The big stars specialize and send out hits that are all variations of the same theme.


Wait... which winners have recorded albums outside of their genre? I haven't watched all of the seasons, but I can't think of any who have been forced into something outside of their comfort zone, etc.

Well, if you want a really recent example, take a look at Crystal Bowersox's twitter. Girl is having major issues with Jive and is airing out some dirty laundry before her album is even released. :wideeyes: