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Allskate
10-08-2010, 06:47 AM
Now you're just twisting the dagger into my already bleeding heart, Allskate. I'm Yours is number one on my favorite songs playlist!

:lol: Actually, I like "I'm Yours" and Jason Mraz. I think Mraz is a pretty intelligent, creative, and thoughtful songwriter. (Have you ever listened to any of his concerts on archive.org?) I just think that people are trying to come up with songs like his and are doing a poor job and they get annoying. I'll give you that "1,2,3,4" song from the Plain White Ts as an example. (Please don't tell me you love that song, too. :lol: ). It's like the label told them to come up with something like that.

We'll just have to agree to disagree about AWM and Soul Sister.

cailuj365
10-08-2010, 07:24 AM
:lol: Actually, I like "I'm Yours" and Jason Mraz. I think Mraz is a pretty intelligent, creative, and thoughtful songwriter. (Have you ever listened to any of his concerts on archive.org?) I just think that people are trying to come up with songs like his and are doing a poor job and they get annoying. I'll give you that "1,2,3,4" song from the Plain White Ts as an example. (Please don't tell me you love that song, too. :lol: ). It's like the label told them to come up with something like that.

We'll just have to agree to disagree about AWM and Soul Sister.

The wounds are a result of finding similarities in my favorite songs HSS and I'm Yours to AWM, a song I severely dislike. :lol: I think one difference is the clear enunciation in the first two songs and the muddled delivery in the last one. I seriously can't understand much of what Kris is saying. It's just this jangly mush of noise. For all I know, he could be singing the best lyrics ever written.

But I forgot you were a Jason Mraz fan! Actually, I think this is a part of how we started our whole history of debate, haha. I suggested something about downloading music off the internet for free and you and some others were quite angry about me doing so, and you brought up that website somehow. Actually, I would have never found it so easy to download music from the internet (and I still buy way more music than the average student) had it not been for Jason Mraz giving SUCH good live performances that I preferred them to his recorded versions and I just had to find a way to rip them from youtube. Had it not been for this initial motivation, I would haven't gone searching for a youtube mp3 site. Funny how that goes.

I actually attended his concert last year. It was awesome! He's so great. He just came out with a new EP, but it's a bit more jazzy than what I like from him. I'll still be interested in his next album.

I listened to that 1234 song a long time ago but wasn't that impressed. It's simple and sweet, but not very interesting musically. I'm not so sure that 1234 is a rip-off of "I'm Yours" though. I think they're just trying to capitalize on the same sound/sentiment of their first hit "Hey There Delilah," which came out before "I'm Yours" if I remember correctly.

Allskate
10-08-2010, 05:27 PM
I don't think "1,2,3,4" is a ripoff of "I'm Yours." I just think that their label was trying to get the same kind of vibe and targeting the group of people who like "I'm Yours." My sense is that most of their music up to that point hadn't been in the vein of "Hey There Delilah." Most of their music was more uptempo and not as stripped down. I heard a preview of one of the songs from their upcoming album and I think it's much better than "Rhythm of Love" but isn't their single because that's not the kind of vibe their label wants out there to sell music. Anyway, I would bet money that with "Soul Sister" Pat Monahan and his label were very consciously targeting that group of music listeners rather than going for the sound that Train historically had.

I actually think that Kris naturally had a bit of a singer/songwriter vibe when he was on Idol, but the label took him more in the direction of Lifehouse and The Script.

ETA: Crystal has written a piece for CNN about her childhood experiences with bullying:
http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2010/10/08/crystal-bowersox-just-imagine%e2%80%a6/

On Idol, she always seemed so expressive in her singing and kind of closed off when it came to talking. Her history may help explain why as well as explaining why it is so important that she be able to express herself with her own songs.

ETAA: And speaking of Jason Mraz, someone from the L.A. Times heard Lee's album and says it has a Jason Mraz and Coldplay kind of sound. Huh? I never would have lumped Jason Mraz and Coldplay together and I was expecting more of a Dave Matthews sound from Lee. Weird.

cailuj365
10-08-2010, 06:09 PM
And how do you know that "I'm Yours" didn't try to target the same group of people who loved "Hey There Delilah"? I never even thought about "I'm Yours" when I listened to "Hey Soul Sister" until now.

As long as it sounds good, that's all I care about.

PeterG
10-08-2010, 08:33 PM
I know. That's why I said "some" and then said that radio play would be tough. Peter was mocking you for thinking that it would get any airplay.

I wasn't mocking, I was teasing! (I'm not mean enough to mock!) :D

From wikipedia:


Kris Allen Singles Discography

"No Boundaries" 11
"Live Like We're Dying" 18
"The Truth" —

"—" denotes releases that did not chart

I expect Kris' career to go exactly the way David Archuleta's is going...

ETA: The " - " for "The Truth" single is for the Billboard Hot 100 chart...even flop singles make it into the 90's or 80's on the chart...Kris' second single from his album did so poorly (even with the lead singer of Train who was coming of a comeback hit) that it didn't get enough airplay to even manage a #99 position on the Hot 100... :(

Allskate
10-08-2010, 09:43 PM
Crystal is going to be on AC 360's town hall on bullying tonight. I think it repeats, so I'm going to try to catch it. Anderson Cooper seemed very impressed with her.


And how do you know that "I'm Yours" didn't try to target the same group of people who loved "Hey There Delilah"?

Although "I'm Yours" was released as a single after "Hey There Delilah" was released, Mraz had written and performed it before "Hey There Delilah" was released, so he obviously didn't write it to target the Delilah lovers. But, his label might have chosen it as a single because, based on "Delilah," they saw that sweet acoustic songs were doing well.

Musical appeal is so subjective. If you love "Soul Sister," it really doesn't matter if PL is throwing her cat around to escape it or if I find the lyrics ridiculous.

I don't think that Kris will do quite as poorly as David Archuletta, but I don't anticipate a huge career for him and I'd be surprised if his sales for the second album aren't substantially lower than for the first. But, as I've said, if a song as weak as The Truth could get some radio play (even if it wasn't good enough to chart), AWM will at least get some airplay even if it doesn't get as much as the big releases coming out in the next few months. Allison probably would have been happy just to get that for Scars or DWTP. :(

PrincessLeppard
10-08-2010, 11:01 PM
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Musical appeal is so subjective. If you love "Soul Sister," it really doesn't matter if PL is throwing her cat around to escape it or if I find the lyrics ridiculous.

For the record, I was startled and merely dislodged the cat abruptly from his sound sleep on my back.

He has recovered nicely. ;)

Allskate
10-09-2010, 06:56 AM
Heh. Lyndsey Parker has reviewed four of Lee’s new songs. (Why four?) She says one of them has an acoustic ditty vibe and compares it to "Alright With Me" and "Hey There, Delilah." :lol: Run for the hills cailuj!

Billboard says that David Cook fans will love one of the songs. You can pre-order now PL!

Just saw Crystal on AC 360. It was very sad to know what she dealt with, but good for her for taking part in efforts to deal with bullying. I have a friend whose daughter is being bullied in school and it’s gotten so bad that they’ve discussed moving.

PrincessLeppard
10-09-2010, 03:32 PM
Billboard says that David Cook fans will love one of the songs. You can pre-order now PL!

Hmm. I tend to prefer David's rocker songs waaay more than his ballads, and I know that puts me in the minority of his fans. :lol: So we'll see.

cailuj365
10-09-2010, 07:13 PM
Yeah, I don't think I'd care much for Lee's album. I can't even muster up fake excitement at the moment, lol. I saw his album cover and it looked nice though. Nice earthy colors and a happy smile.

I love "Hey There Delilah." I just have an allergic reaction to "Alright With Me." :lol: And it's nothing against Kris (although he could enunciate more - I've never really noticed how sloppy he gets on some songs until just recently). I like 8/12 tracks from Kris' album. I haven't listened to much of what he did before Idol, but I do have one of his older songs called "Land of Smiles." It's nice and slow, pretty, and calming. Kind of like one of Jason Mraz's slower acoustic stuff. There's another slower song on Kris' album that's one of my favorites called "I Need To Know," and it was used in the TV show The Vampire Diaries last week. I don't watch the show, but I thought it worked really well from the clip. Link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WtmFk_gePA)

Allskate
10-11-2010, 03:59 AM
Crystal got married today, wearing, of course, a hemp wedding gown:

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20433323,00.html



I like 8/12 tracks from Kris' album. I haven't listened to much of what he did before Idol, but I do have one of his older songs called "Land of Smiles." It's nice and slow, pretty, and calming. Kind of like one of Jason Mraz's slower acoustic stuff.

I’ve heard that song. Yeah, I guess it’s kind of in a similar vein as “Love for a Child” or “You and I” I’ve always liked Kris’s “Red Guitar,” which is a sweet slower song.

If one of the Idols was going to do a song that was going to be compared to “Hey There Delilah,” I would have predicted Jason Castro. Lee just doesn’t seem the sweet little ditty type. I’m kind of surprised by some of the descriptions of the four songs that have been played for bloggers. I wasn’t expecting comparisons to Mraz, Coldplay, Five for Fighting, or One Republic. But, maybe these are just the songs that the label pushed for or is considering for singles and the other songs are different.

cailuj365
10-11-2010, 05:29 AM
Wow, fast marriage. It kind of makes me wonder if, um, a baby is involved? :shuffle: I mean, I have no idea. They could be deeply in love and didn't want to wait. Congrats to the happy couple in any case. Hope they last!

I really like "Red Guitar!" It's actually one of my favorites, but I remember when the album came out, a lot Kris fans really didn't like it. I think it's really pretty.

Allskate
10-11-2010, 05:16 PM
Wow, fast marriage. It kind of makes me wonder if, um, a baby is involved? :shuffle: I mean, I have no idea. They could be deeply in love and didn't want to wait. Congrats to the happy couple in any case. Hope they last!

Crystal has very clearly said that she's not pregnant. She says she's been friends with Brian for six years and I've read that he is the one who took care of her son while she was on tour this summer. They can't have been together as a couple that long, but maybe Crystal thinks this will bring some stability to her life and her son's life and make some logistics in her life easier. I don't get the sense that either the wedding itself or the marriage certificate is all that important to her. She's more about love and commitment and caring for her son.


I really like "Red Guitar!" It's actually one of my favorites, but I remember when the album came out, a lot Kris fans really didn't like it.

Some people prefer the really fast songs. (Plus, I think some fans prefer not to be reminded that he's married.)

cailuj365
10-11-2010, 05:35 PM
Crystal has very clearly said that she's not pregnant.

Oh good. Having another baby right now would have put a damper on her career. Not just in terms of image, but it would be very difficult to do promo and travel around the country all the time if she were expecting.



(Plus, I think some fans prefer not to be reminded that he's married.)

:rolleyes: So they can pretend that he's single and will marry them instead? Probably just as likely as Adam Lambert turning straight and marrying one his female fans.

Kruss
10-11-2010, 07:23 PM
Hmm. I tend to prefer David's rocker songs waaay more than his ballads, and I know that puts me in the minority of his fans. :lol: So we'll see.


It's actually interesting how many of his fans prefer his harder rocker songs, angst when they heard softer stuff on his album, and yet defend every one of his songs regardless. LOL! Yes, Cook fans are an interesting breed. ;)

I've heard from :sekret: that his new album may be closer to what you like. I hope so, although I love the softer stuff as well.