Survivor: Nicaragua

[jamesy]

Was the Jane and her chicken story part of the recap episode? I skipped it, so didn't know if they expanded on it there. It seemed one moment they were on reward and the next scene Jane was sobbing over her makeshift grave. I didn't know if I should feel embarrassed for her for going on about it or feel mad that the ones who had eaten the chicken had done it to be deliberately cruel.

[Erin]

A better example would be Courtney Yates, who was brought the the finals as the weakest player who didn't bother being nice to anyone outside of her core alliance, and she almost won it.

I agree Courtney's a good example, although she gave probably the best answers to the jury out of all the finalists in China, which may have helped her case. Another sort of example in this direction is Susie in Gabon, although she got to the final by very surprisingly winning the last immunity (and I believe managed to win one earlier one). But I didn't expect her to get a single vote and she ended up losing the finals by only one vote, with the main reason being that a number of her old alliance members were on the jury and she hadn't voted them out, so they wanted her to win.

[Squibble]

I didn't know if I should feel embarrassed for her for going on about it or feel mad that the ones who had eaten the chicken had done it to be deliberately cruel.

I'd say being embarrassed for her would be the charitable thing to do. Being completely disguested with her would be more appropriate.

This is one of the most difficult seasons of Survivor ever because of the shortage of food. (Jane is partly responsible for that because she apparently stocked the fire after the crates were brought next to it.) That Jane cared more about the life of one chicken than the well-being of four of her tribemates (all of whose votes she needs) confirms how she's been depicted this season: mean, nasty, and crazy.

[genevieve]

I agree Courtney's a good example, although she gave probably the best answers to the jury out of all the finalists in China, which may have helped her case.
Courtney was absolutely an example of how to handle jury questions. Especially compared to Amanda, a truly great player who completely crumbles in the social endgame and can't face a jury effectively to save her life.


I'd say being embarrassed for her would be the charitable thing to do. Being completely disguested with her would be more appropriate.

This is one of the most difficult seasons of Survivor ever because of the shortage of food. (Jane is partly responsible for that because she apparently stocked the fire after the crates were brought next to it.) That Jane cared more about the life of one chicken than the well-being of four of her tribemates (all of whose votes she needs) confirms how she's been depicted this season: mean, nasty, and crazy.
I wouldn't say she's been depicted as mean and nasty at all - I think the producers LOVE her and have been giving her as much airtime as possible because of it.

The eat-the-chicken/keep-the-chicken question always comes up on this show. I don't have a problem with them eating the chicken last night - it's close enough to the end that the protein is probably worth it and they can deal without eggs a few days - but keeping them for the eggs is good strategy too.

And :rolleyes: about the stoke the fire comment. Every single player who put something wood by (and OVER) the fire and stoked it at all was partly to blame for that mishap. You've made it clear you hate Jane, so I'm pretty sure anything she does is a sign of pure evil :lol:

[Jenny]

Dan Dan, the invisible man.

With the edit Dan's getting, I fully expect him to make final 3. Other than a few random incidents near the beginning and Na and Marty, the editing seems focused on whoever is about to leave - last minute storytelling.

Last night was like that - the cuts they chose were to throw us in the direction of Fabio, but since he hardly any airtime and it was all about Benry, then he was clearly the one to go.

And I'm glad Fabio made it through!

Agree with those wondering if he has enough game to save himself. So far he's played a good game of listening and being neutral and playing down his smarts and being a good guy - but now that his back is up against the wall, we'll see what he's really made of. I hope.



Also, at some point, the target is going to point right at Jane. This would be a good week to do that as those four have the numbers, so Holly, Chase and Sash can get rid of her and still have numbers over Dan and Fabio.

I was thinking the same thing. Sash is back into full cocky mode, and when cocky people have the numbers, they usually use the opportunity to turn on their own and clean a little house.

Which could work to Fabio's advantage - if he sees it. Perhaps Sash's mistake is in toying with the others by having Benry and Dan vote for Fabio, thus making Fabio realize how quickly his own alliance was ready to turn on him. Had Sash got them all to vote for Holly, Fabio would likely have stuck with Dan.

Now, if he's smart and I think he is, he will see an opportunity to stoke Sash's fire to get rid of Jane - maybe even take some heat of Sash in the process, making the deal more sellable to Sash.

[Prancer]

I agree Courtney's a good example, although she gave probably the best answers to the jury out of all the finalists in China, which may have helped her case.

It definitely did, as no one planned to vote for her going in. :)


(Jane is partly responsible for that because she apparently stocked the fire after the crates were brought next to it.)

If you are referring to missyae's spoiler there, missyae has made it clear that Jane was not alone in that. There are some people on Sucks who hate Jane and have run with the idea of Jane being responsible, but missyae, while not a Jane fan, has never said that she was solely responsible--for that.

Jane is an Appalachian hillbilly through and through; self sufficient, resourceful, tough and stringy and loyal unto death to those she considers her own, but cross her and she will never, ever forget or forgive. If she gets the boot, expect her to be a very angry juror and vote against rather than for.


That Jane cared more about the life of one chicken than the well-being of four of her tribemates (all of whose votes she needs) confirms how she's been depicted this season: mean, nasty, and crazy.

I didn't get that at all. If anything, I thought the guys who ate the chicken were the ones being spiteful--not because they ate it but because they enjoyed the fact that it would upset Jane and because it seems to me that something like eating the last chicken is something to do as a tribe. It would be one thing if this were the last reward challenge, but it wasn't. I'm not seeing how this season is any worse than others for food, either. A lot of the boots have complained about the lack of calories, but no one seems to have experienced an unusual amount of weight loss.

I totally understand getting attached to the chickens and any other creatures that might substitute for pets in a game like Survivor. Uncomplicated affection is hard to come by.

[Jenny]

The thing that was odd for me is that to date, Jane has been shown to be a person who catches food and enjoys eating it - not someone who makes friends with animals meant for food (we know she loves her dogs) and gets upset when they are killed and eaten.

Plus, we were also shown an extended scene where she caught a fish, cooked it and ate herself without sharing, and the impression was that she did that more than once.

I do agree that the final chicken should have been a tribe decision/meal, but at the same time, it's not like Jane has shared every meal with the others either.

[Squibble]

I wouldn't say she's been depicted as mean and nasty at all - I think the producers LOVE her and have been giving her as much airtime as possible because of it.

*snip*

And :rolleyes: about the stoke the fire comment. Every single player who put something wood by (and OVER) the fire and stoked it at all was partly to blame for that mishap. You've made it clear you hate Jane, so I'm pretty sure anything she does is a sign of pure evil :lol:

I don't "hate" Jane, at least not the way I "hated" Na'Onka and Shannon this season. Generally speaking, the thing that sets me off about people on Survivor is when they treat other people badly. Her bad side has been most in evidence in the way she treated Marty, but also in some of her dealings with the other original Espada men. (Yes, some of her response may have been provoked, but she didn't handle it very well at all.) On the other hand, I can see that she's been very good with Chase and Sash, among others.

Based on what we've seen, I'd rather see Jane win than Dan or Chase, but I hope (and think) that the winner is going to be one of the other three remaining players.

I do agree with you that she's a producers' favorite, as well she should be. She's watchable, which is more than can be said for Benry, Dan, Kelly S., or Alina.


And :rolleyes: about the stoke the fire comment. Every single player who put something wood by (and OVER) the fire and stoked it at all was partly to blame for that mishap.

Absolutely. But considering that she had just had a big dinner (and probably a big breakfast too), who is she to begrudge those guys some protein? I didn't see anyone bringing any leftovers back to camp to share.


If you are referring to missyae's spoiler there, missyae has made it clear that Jane was not alone in that. There are some people on Sucks who hate Jane and have run with the idea of Jane being responsible, but missyae, while not a Jane fan, has never said that she was solely responsible--for that.

I don't read spoilers, and clearly Jane wasn't solely responsble. I did, however, read this exit interview with Brenda:


Matt: So first of all, what happened with the fire? Was anyone at fault for that?

Brenda: I was one of the people in charge of the fire -- I'm like a little pyro! We had covered stuff from the rain, but it was Jane who put more wood on it. If we had left it the way it was, the embers were there and we could have started the fire very easy ... I don't know what she was thinking. It wasn't intentional by any means.

http://www.examiner.com/tv-in-national/survivor-nicaragua-interview-brenda-lowe-defends-her-strategy

[smurfy]

Jane questioin - so I do enjoy certain aspects of her game, making fire right away, being a big contributor. Catching fish and cooking for herself amuses me, no big deal.
But here, and on TWOP, so many folks seem to have strong negative feelings for her.
It is not that I love her, but I feel she is playing a good game, and if she makes it to the FTC, she is a contender for winning.
So why all the negative comments? Why do some people really dislike her? I feel like I am missing something - Help! Thanks.

[Prancer]

The thing that was odd for me is that to date, Jane has been shown to be a person who catches food and enjoys eating it - not someone who makes friends with animals meant for food (we know she loves her dogs) and gets upset when they are killed and eaten.

She's a country girl; that doesn't seem odd to me at all. But it is again weird editing, given that until the broadcast, Jane was never shown so much as glancing at the chickens.


I do agree that the final chicken should have been a tribe decision/meal, but at the same time, it's not like Jane has shared every meal with the others either.

Agree, but I wasn't objecting on behalf of Jane in particular, at least not in that regard. I just thought it was spiteful of the guys to eat the chicken while the others were gone. But I thought it was spiteful of Jane to eat her fish by herself, too. As I said before in this thread, I have never seen people on this show hoard and steal food the way this cast has.


Absolutely. But considering that she had just had a big dinner (and probably a big breakfast too), who is she to begrudge those guys some protein? I didn't see anyone bringing any leftovers back to camp to share.

They aren't allowed to bring leftovers back, which is why people usually don't do it. Some of them manage to sneak some back, but they are usually instructed that they can't take anything back and they are sometimes searched to make sure they don't.

I don't see her as begrudging them the protein, either. She might have carried on a little over the chicken's demise, but if Jane had had serious objections to the eating of the chicken, she would have bitched to high heaven about it, carried a grudge and plotted some kind of revenge on the guys, not laughed about planning to run off into the woods with the hen before she got the ax and been so affectionate with Sash later. Can you see Jane just letting something go?

[genevieve]

I also imagine that, a month into Survivor, there aren't a lot of emotional outlets that wouldn't damage one's game. Could be that her sadness over the chickens was magnified by just how exhausting the game it.

I didn't begrudge Jane eating the fish she caught because - well, she caught it! It's not the same as someone stealing food that had been awarded to the whole tribe. I might feel differently if she was constantly coming back to camp saying she'd had no luck but was secretly eating all the time, but once or twice? I don't really have a problem with it.

[sk8er1964]

Jane questioin - so I do enjoy certain aspects of her game, making fire right away, being a big contributor. Catching fish and cooking for herself amuses me, no big deal.
But here, and on TWOP, so many folks seem to have strong negative feelings for her.
It is not that I love her, but I feel she is playing a good game, and if she makes it to the FTC, she is a contender for winning.
So why all the negative comments? Why do some people really dislike her? I feel like I am missing something - Help! Thanks.

I'm not sure myself. Maybe a misunderstanding of her mountain culture? As Prancer said, she's scrappy, loyal, and will hate with a Hatfield/McCoy level those who screw or try to screw her. Maybe those who aren't familiar with Appalachian people don't understand that mindset?

[Squibble]

Jane questioin - so I do enjoy certain aspects of her game, making fire right away, being a big contributor. Catching fish and cooking for herself amuses me, no big deal.
But here, and on TWOP, so many folks seem to have strong negative feelings for her.
It is not that I love her, but I feel she is playing a good game, and if she makes it to the FTC, she is a contender for winning.
So why all the negative comments? Why do some people really dislike her? I feel like I am missing something - Help! Thanks.

What did it for me was her comments when voting out Marty: "You are a disgrace to every man who calls himself 'father.' There is no way in heck I would allow my child or my grandchild to come and play with your children. Plain and simple."

Considering that that was said on national television to a man whose children she has never met, it was extraordinarily mean-spirited.

[MarieM]

Jane is a crazy b*tch. I don't get this type of "woman" sorry.

Benry was clueless. As Fabio. I still think Fabio will win it all.

Dan ... OMG why is he still there ???

[Cupid]

Dan, he could win this! :eek: Now that would be so hilarious. They used to vote out people like this for "flying under the radar." He just hasn't been noticed yet.