Discrimination against fat girls

[Stormy]

A very healthy looking person who looks like a real woman! And she eats normally, too.

This straight up annoys me. Every single woman IS a real woman! Whether they're model thin or obese, they're all REAL! I'm short, and a size 4. By your defintion, I'm not real because I'm not a size 12? I really despise the "real women have curves" thought process. Sorry, but that's just BS. We're all real. America Ferriera is just as real a woman as Heidi Klum, sorry to break it to ya. Some models really just are genetically blessed with a tall and very thin frame. How is that their fault?

ETA: That model that was referenced in the original article is Whitney Thompson, she won America's Next Top Model as the first plus size winner. And the article never stated she was denied entrance to the party or even invited in the first place, they just randomly used her as an example of a plus size model.

[vesperholly]

I'm fairly certain that no living woman is proportioned exactly the same as women's clothing is cut.

There are actually women (and men) out there known as "fit models" - they're the alleged ideal proportions for a size.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitting_model

I'm sure they're the only ones who don't have trouble finding clothes that fit right. :lynch:

ETA, whoops, replied before I saw Holley Calmes post.

[Anita18]

This straight up annoys me. Every single woman IS a real woman! Whether they're model thin or obese, they're all REAL! I'm short, and a size 4. By your defintion, I'm not real because I'm not a size 12? I really despise the "real women have curves" thought process. Sorry, but that's just BS. We're all real. America Ferriera is just as real a woman as Heidi Klum, sorry to break it to ya. Some models really just are genetically blessed with a tall and very thin frame. How is that their fault?
I was gonna get all :soapbox: about that too, but given that I think of myself as a dorky girl and not a "woman" most of the time, I guess I don't consider myself a "real woman" anyway. :lol:

I AM a woman when it comes to feminist issues though. :soapbox:

[Veronika]

I think the idea is that the majority of (American) women struggle with their weight--either to maintain it or to lose weight. So we are "real" women in the sense that we have real problems? I dunno.

[cruisin]

There are actually women (and men) out there known as "fit models" - they're the alleged ideal proportions for a size.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitting_model

I'm sure they're the only ones who don't have trouble finding clothes that fit right. :lynch:

ETA, whoops, replied before I saw Holley Calmes post.

Even they have trouble. Different designers have different aesthetics and use different body types for their fit models. Some brands fit a curvy woman, some fit a more boyish figure.

I have a really hard time finding jeans and pants. I have a fairly flat stomach, narrow hips, no butt what so ever, but I don't really come in much on the sides at the waist. My legs are bigger, relative to my hip area. Most of my pants are baggy in the butt (deflated ass syndrome). Low rise pants :lol: they fall off me. Even if they fit, they are cut for the waistband to go around the hips, I don't have any. The pants that fit well are usually more pricey, so I wait for sales and hope they still have my size.

[Nomad]

^ I have problems with pants as well. My solution is to buy things that almost fit and then have them altered. I try to buy pants on sale to compensate for the tailoring costs.

[cruisin]

^ I have problems with pants as well. My solution is to buy things that almost fit and then have them altered. I try to buy pants on sale to compensate for the tailoring costs.

I have done that. My big problem, though, is that I don't have hips to hold pants up. Even if the fit around my hips, they slide down. The only jeans I have that fit really well and stay up are 2 pair of 7 jeans I bought last year. They are narrow through the hip and butt with a straight leg. the reason they fit well, though, is because they are high waisted. They come up high enough, so that they don't fall down. They were way more than I would ever pay for jeans, and I was afraid to wait for a sale, because they were flying out the door. I managed to find them in a dark wash and a light wash. Paid too much for them, but I wear them constantly.

Just a suggestion for you Nomad, have you ever tried Madewell jeans? they are a sister company of J. Crew. Price point a teeny bit lower, but the jeans might be a little higher. Other than the 7 jeans, they come as close to fitting as I've ever gotten. And they fit a lot of different figure types, give them a shot. :)

[Holley Calmes]

This straight up annoys me. Every single woman IS a real woman! Whether they're model thin or obese, they're all REAL! I'm short, and a size 4. By your defintion, I'm not real because I'm not a size 12? I really despise the "real women have curves" thought process. Sorry, but that's just BS. We're all real. America Ferriera is just as real a woman as Heidi Klum, sorry to break it to ya. Some models really just are genetically blessed with a tall and very thin frame. How is that their fault?

ETA: That model that was referenced in the original article is Whitney Thompson, she won America's Next Top Model as the first plus size winner. And the article never stated she was denied entrance to the party or even invited in the first place, they just randomly used her as an example of a plus size model.

Well, Stormy, I do apologize for using an expression that has a certain connotation in my mind. It never occured to me that anyone would take it the way you did, but you're right, and I apologize. We are all "real" women no matter what size we are. Forgive! I truly meant no harm.

[Civic]

Sadly, many of them are ill, because they are not naturally that thin. When I was in my mid 20's I weighed about 118 at 5'10, and I was chubby compared to many of the models I worked with and had come in for go sees...
FSU posters have such interesting backgrounds. What kind of modeling did you do?

[Anita18]

I have done that. My big problem, though, is that I don't have hips to hold pants up. Even if the fit around my hips, they slide down. The only jeans I have that fit really well and stay up are 2 pair of 7 jeans I bought last year. They are narrow through the hip and butt with a straight leg. the reason they fit well, though, is because they are high waisted. They come up high enough, so that they don't fall down. They were way more than I would ever pay for jeans, and I was afraid to wait for a sale, because they were flying out the door. I managed to find them in a dark wash and a light wash. Paid too much for them, but I wear them constantly.
You might totally :lynch: me for suggesting this, but have you tried men's jeans? They wouldn't have flared or feminine boot-cut ones, but there are skinny jeans for guys now. I was marveling at how my bf's pants stayed up even though all men's pants fit around the hips instead of on them. It seems like if women had issues with not having hips for pants to rest on, turning to pants that are supposed to fit on people with no hips (ie, guys) would be something to try.

[cruisin]

FSU posters have such interesting backgrounds. What kind of modeling did you do?

Oh, no I wasn't a model. I was an art director at one of the big NY Ad Agencies. I worked with models on print and TV shoots, and they came to see me for go sees. I was told by several people, in the business, that I could have modeled, but I just don't see myself that way. One of the most interesting models I worked with was Geena Davis, before she started acting. She is so bright and so eccentric. One of the most obnoxious was Christie Brinkley - a total beyotch!


You might totally :lynch: me for suggesting this, but have you tried men's jeans? They wouldn't have flared or feminine boot-cut ones, but there are skinny jeans for guys now. I was marveling at how my bf's pants stayed up even though all men's pants fit around the hips instead of on them. It seems like if women had issues with not having hips for pants to rest on, turning to pants that are supposed to fit on people with no hips (ie, guys) would be something to try.

I have tried mens' but they don't hit me in the right place and the waist is still too wide for me because I need a bigger size for my legs. But I don't think it's a :lynch: idea, it's a great one! :) I would totally wear them if they fit right.

[Nomad]

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Just a suggestion for you Nomad, have you ever tried Madewell jeans? they are a sister company of J. Crew. Price point a teeny bit lower, but the jeans might be a little higher. Other than the 7 jeans, they come as close to fitting as I've ever gotten. And they fit a lot of different figure types, give them a shot. :)

Thanks for the tip. I'm due for a wardrobe overhaul; I lost more weight than usual this summer and have no ass left. (But it'll be back in winter, I'm sure.)

[vesperholly]

I have a really hard time finding jeans and pants. I have a fairly flat stomach, narrow hips, no butt what so ever, but I don't really come in much on the sides at the waist. My legs are bigger, relative to my hip area. Most of my pants are baggy in the butt (deflated ass syndrome).

I'll lend you some ass ;) I've got so much that my pants gap at the back, always. Skater butt (and then some).

[cruisin]

I'll lend you some ass ;) I've got so much that my pants gap at the back, always. Skater butt (and then some).

Can we schedule a transplant? :P

[topaz]

This is really great discussion. I was around 245 lbs about 5 months, ie. gained weight after my pregnancy 2 years ago due to stress, divorve and having a child with a chronic disease. During my pregnancy, I developed gestational diabetes, luckily it went away immediately after my pregnancy and my daughter does not have it. However, I know my chance of getting diabetes now is double what it was before. So, I joined ediets.

I really like the site and I am do the glycemic impact diet. Monthly charge is $18 but there is a wealth of knowledge and support available to you.

I love it, I've lost 55 pounds. I went from a size 18/20 to a size 14. I incorporated an intense work out regimen. I work out 5 days a week:

Monday - Back, shoulders and core
Tuesday- Biceps, triceps, chest, core and cardio
Wednesday -Rest
Thursday - Cardio
Friday - Legs and core
Saturday - Cardio
Sunday - Rest

My strength training is mostly with weights and I use a medical ball with a few core exercises. I really enjoy weight training. I subscribed to Oxygen magazine which I love. The women they show are serious about fitness. The models have defined and muscular bodies. I tend to like that that kind of physique, I know alot women don't find this attainable or attractive, but I do.

I would recommend Oxygen because it has great work out information including cardio. In my opinion, its the best women's fitness magazine.

When I was size 20, my self esteem was horrible. It was largest I had been in my life. I've been "thick" for the last 7 years, wearing a size 12 or 14 but I dressed well and my body type carried it well. I have "hourglass" figure, so when I gain weight I tend to gain it everywhere. As a size 20, I was still hit on my men. I am African American and I was hit on by black and latin men. I think some cultures view being overweight or thick differently than others. I have co workers who are sizes 24 and 26 who dress incredibly well. My co worker Teresa is a great example. Her hair, her nails and make up are ALWAYS well kept. She divorced a few years ago and remarried within a year and a half.

Teresa's pic (http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs113.snc4/36032_407218727917_678572917_4612644_5132614_n.jpg ) I hope you guys can view it.

Anyway, I don't understand why western culture is so stuck on skinny being the standard of attractiveness. Skinny people are just as if not more in poor health than some obese people. It should be about being healthy regardless of your size and body type.