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Loves_Shizuka
08-13-2010, 08:57 AM
I love Mattie Larson; her FX is great; lovely dance/choreo, great form on the tumbles and that triple spin was lovely.

Is it weird I prefer ASac now to back-in-the-day?

I don't like to bitch about super-talented athletes, and we all know that saying, "If you've got nothing nice to say, don't say anything a tall"...so all I'll say is I admire Bross's competitive nerve....

That Cheng by Zam was :eek: gorrrrgeous.

The queens who video for gymnastike really amuse me; but I must thank them for giving us this opportunity to see so many routines! :D

Obviously this was a bad day for Jordyn Wieber; I've seen a few other comps of hers now though, and I'm not quite getting some of the uber hype she's getting (not on here, but other boards) but I can see she's an exciting talent. I LOVE Ohashi.

floskate
08-13-2010, 02:55 PM
I've spent most of this morning watching the whole competition from last night online - thank goodness it's not geo-blocked! :cheer: Some random ill-informed musings...... ;)

If Mattie can perform as well on Saturday while sorting out her beam and Bross makes her one huge error per comp(TM) well things could get interesting but I think Bross will have learnt from Nationals and Worlds last year. Other than Larson, Zamarippa's awesome Cheng and the A-Sac show, not much to impress.

Anyone else think Aly Raisman is sloppier now than earlier this season? I thought she was very promising at the American Cup - especially beam - but here she just looks shattered. And yes she needs to sort out her hair :yikes: I miss the days when they all competed to see how many grips they could fit in to hold a ponytail and how much glitter hairspray they could get away with. :glamor:

On another note, having watched those youtube clips of Catherine Lyons who's something of a sensation over here at the age of 9, I have to say she has better style, range, extension, dance ability and toepoint than anyone on show last night. How did Raisman get to the elite level with such awful feet?? :shuffle:

BigB08822
08-13-2010, 03:22 PM
I was the one who mentioned the US having 3 Amanars. However, it was only a hypothetic situation! I just said that IF we had 3 Amanars it may still not be enough to make up for our deficit on bars.

HisWeirness
08-13-2010, 03:25 PM
Link to watch video of last night's Sr. Women's Day 1 Competition:
http://www.universalsports.com/video/assetid=67475813-e1e6-40ed-ada6-afa64a9e6e1d.html#full+event+u+s+nationals+women+n ight

:cheer: that apparently it's not geoblocked!

Photo galleries
http://www.universalsports.com/photos/galleryid=487827.html
http://usagymnastics.zenfolio.com/p974380349
http://www.daylife.com/search/photos/1/grid?q=hartford+gymnastics+12

bek
08-13-2010, 03:47 PM
If Mattie can perform as well on Saturday while sorting out her beam and Bross makes her one huge error per comp(TM) well things could get interesting but I think Bross will have learnt from Nationals and Worlds last year. Other than Larson, Zamarippa's awesome Cheng and the A-Sac show, not much to impress.

Scores carry over and Bross has almost 2 point lead. To be quite frank as well Becca has been getting more consistent by and by anyways. She was a disaster at Nationals her first competition in over a year, but moved up to only one mistake at the All Around per round at Worlds. While she wasn't great at the American Cup, I don't think she really had any falls there, and I believe there was only one fall in two nights at Pac Rim.

Honestly, we can't always expect an athlete with no Worlds experience to win Worlds their first time out, and write them off as inconsistent forever. Some athletes take time to sort out their ability to compete at that level. For example Lilia Podkapayeva actually had a reputation for being inconsistent until 1995 if I recall. And this is the girl who has been the only person since Tourischeva to defend her World AA title at the Olympics. And remember how Yu-na will yes injured but still, threw away the World title in 2007? Asada too (Mao dug a hole for herself in the short. :lol: and while was great in the long ,she wasn't perfect)

Its a huge amount of pressure to compete at that level, and if you go in as the favorite to win your first time out, you dont' even get to be the underdog. I feel for athletes like Shawn, Mao, Kim, and Bross who go into their first major Senior international event with those kind of expectations. Its much harder for them than athlete who gets to go in with a lot less expectations. Sure some athletes can do it, but then again even Shawn had mess ups at her first worlds. And Shawn had more competitions under her belt that year than Bross did it. But not every athlete can. And Sloan even was a bit shaky as a competitor when she came out her first season too. That's why I find this whole "younger athletes automatically have an advantage" to be frankly ridiculous. Its not necessarily true whatsover. Some athletes compete better when they are younger sure, but some athletes compete better when they are older. And it can especially difficult for a younger athlete who has huge amounts of expectations placed on them.



I was the one who mentioned the US having 3 Amanars. However, it was only a hypothetic situation! I just said that IF we had 3 Amanars it may still not be enough to make up for our deficit on bars.

Right now I think our vaults will make up the deficit but I'm not sure it will in 2012. The only way that perhaps changes is if Mustafina and Nabieva show up at Worlds chucking Amanars. Nabieva has already chucked one in competition. And I mentioned the reports are on Mustafina. To be quite frank, both girls have the power to do those vaults, the issue is some of their leg form. And seeing as well they will be hit hard for execution anyways, there's no reason from their perspective not to go for those extra tenths. They won't score no where near the US vaulters if this happens but the scores will be closer than if they are doing DTYS and that will help them make deficit room. This being said without some serious form clean ups both Nabieva and Mustafina's potential Amanars aren't what I'd necessarily want in Team finals in 2012 (i.e I'd want better ones if possible).

However, I think that by 2012, its going to be the team that makes up their deficits the most that wins. So I would find it problematic if I'm Karoyli that Russia and Chinese UB workers have so much more potential than mine. And I'd find it problematic if I'm Alexandrov, and the head coach of the Chinese team that the US is so strong on vault. Of all of these teams, if I'm a betting woman from what I've seen I think the Russians have really the best option of improving on their weakness, mainly because the Russians have some real power to their gymnastics that the Chinese don't have. And plus with those strong All Arounders to choose from and the fact that Komova could potentially be huge on four events (with that Amanar) and Grishina's already strong scoring potential on 3 events. The Russians are going to have a lot of options. They could conceivably mix and match going with 3 All Arounders and two specialists, if the line ups play out right. Hopefully of course with at least one of the specialists being strong on another event.

However, I certainly wouldn't count out the Chinese from improving vault either. But they seem to be lacking in power a bit (maybe) To be quite frank the Chinese improvements on vault for 2008 was simply astounding and from what I hear it was that which shocked the US team the most. The Chinese ability to be great on bars isn't that shocking. This was a team that year before was doing (Cheng who yes is amazing) but then a not so good DTY, and a Yurchenko 1/2 in team finals. And a year later they come starting close to having another Amanar, and also have a team with 3 other DTYs, and those girls were tiny. Whoever is teaching vault in China, is very strong and don't think for a second that the head coach of the Chinese team is going around actively looking for vaulting specialists, because they are. I actually think floor is an issue for China too.

I'm just not so sure with the US on bars. I don't want to say we can't improve but I just don't know because I think there are some basic issues going on in. Not in the "basic basic skills" but in the type of skills you need to really get those high bars scores. MAC's ability to get into the 6.4 range on bars, well I really think Marta needs to be begging to continue to work on those bars even over at NCAA.

chipso1
08-13-2010, 05:16 PM
I love Mattie Larson; her FX is great; lovely dance/choreo, great form on the tumbles and that triple spin was lovely.

Is it weird I prefer ASac now to back-in-the-day?

I don't like to bitch about super-talented athletes, and we all know that saying, "If you've got nothing nice to say, don't say anything a tall"...so all I'll say is I admire Bross's competitive nerve....

That Cheng by Zam was :eek: gorrrrgeous.

I agree with all of this. ASac looks so amazing, even with the ever-so-slight misstep on beam. And while Mattie is probably too far behind to win the title now, I hope she can at least win day 2 and show even more improvement on beam! :)

shuilee
08-13-2010, 05:24 PM
I think it's important to remember that 2012 London is 5-3-3, not 6-3-3. This puts more emphasis on AA gymnasts, so that may help USA's chances for the team OGM against CHN and RUS.

P.S. Anyone know when FIG will start switching from 6-3-3 to 5-3-3? Is it 2011 Tokyo Worlds or will they really try 5-3-3 for the first time ever at 2012 London?! :eek:

chipso1
08-13-2010, 06:11 PM
Chelsea Davis UB (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9bPU7Qw5Pw)

Great set! If Sloan is still injured come Worlds, Chelsea just may sneak in for the 3rd AA spot on the team. Stylistically, she's far superior than Raisman, and she fills the UB hole better than Raisman, too.

UB D-Scores from Night 1:
M. Caquatto (6.4)
Bross (6.2)
Larson (6.0)
Davis (5.9)
Whitcomb (5.9)
Shapiro (5.9)

bek
08-13-2010, 07:03 PM
I think it's important to remember that 2012 London is 5-3-3, not 6-3-3. This puts more emphasis on AA gymnasts, so that may help USA's chances for the team OGM against CHN and RUS.

P.S. Anyone know when FIG will start switching from 6-3-3 to 5-3-3? Is it 2011 Tokyo Worlds or will they really try 5-3-3 for the first time ever at 2012 London?! :eek:

:lol: The Russians have always been a strong focused all around team. Last four years was their weakest quad ever due to program issues. But they did go 4 to 6 in the All Around in Bejing. The Chinese had 3 girls in the top 10, and well the US had Shawn and Nastia only with Memmel out. Bridget benefited strongly last year from a week field where people retired, or where injured, or just not eligible. Bross did as well but that was only because of the fall, she'd be competitive regardless.

The Russians have a very strong group of All Arounders coming up in Mustafina, Afansyeva, Grishina and Komova, who all four have the talent to be World AA champions. While I think Bross and Wieber are going to be in the thick of things too. I'm not sure the US has another two All Around gymnasts who are as strong as the Russian four. That's why sometimes its just all about timing. However, it frankly what matter if the US can come up with line ups that are strong than Russia's. Just as the Chinese provided that it didn't matter that the US's top two all arounders were better than theirs. The Chinese won prelims easily in Bejing, with both teams having mistakes. And even with Memmel in they'd have still won. They'd have won under 5-3-3. They had a very strong team with solid back ups on frankly every event.

I'm not sure about the Chinese all arounders. If the reports are that Jiang is back, she'll be in the All Around fight, as is perhaps Deng linlin. If Huang Quishang were to somehow managed to perform to her capablities, she'd actually problem win the World AA title, but Huang is a headcase.

Fergus
08-14-2010, 12:25 AM
It's Men's Night in Hartford! :cheer2:

NOT a teknik by any means here, any commentary will be of the fluffiest Peggy "He designs his own costumes...." Fleming kind of variety ;)

Any tech pros who can PBP a bit and elighten the clueless? :)

Fergus
08-14-2010, 12:35 AM
After Rotation 1:
1 - Horton
2 - Leyva (behind by only .4)
3 - Wynne

Fergus
08-14-2010, 12:41 AM
Legendre/VT 1: Handspring double front with a 1/2 twist

Well done! Low in knee on the landing, but nice form! 16.85

VT 2: Little hop backwards on the landing, but nice. 17.05

Legendre's abs are insane, soooo jealous.

Fergus
08-14-2010, 12:42 AM
Brooks/VT 1: Handspring double front, BIG!

Sigh, I'm not quick enough for this PBP. :( Thank goodness usa-gymnastics.com has kick-ass "quick hits"! ;)

chipso1
08-14-2010, 12:45 AM
Awesome vaults from Legendre!

Apparently Paul Ruggeri did an arabian double layout on FX last rotation! :eek:

Cloudy_Gumdrops
08-14-2010, 12:49 AM
Ha, I actually agree with Tim on something. But then, I think everyone should've beaten Zou Kai.