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chipso1
08-13-2010, 02:21 AM
Great interview with Mattie. She seems like a cool kid. :cool:

haribobo
08-13-2010, 03:05 AM
Hmm. So Worlds team likely of Bross, Sac, Larson, Sloan (if recovered), Raisman, and Caquatto? I fell asleep during the first hour of coverage and had to also pay attention to Big Brother for the second hour...so I'll have to watch it all again...

chipso1
08-13-2010, 03:11 AM
That's what I would say, though Davis and Whitcomb could be spoilers (or more likely subs for Sloan if she's not up to par).

pollyanna
08-13-2010, 03:13 AM
Hmm. So Worlds team likely of Bross, Sac, Larson, Sloan (if recovered), Raisman, and Caquatto?

I think you're likely correct, except I question Raisman. They might go with Davis instead as she is stronger on bars. But what do I know? :lol:

bek
08-13-2010, 03:17 AM
I don't know if we should be freaking out yet. There are a number of U.S. girls with D-scores in the 6's, and there's still time to fine-tune and upgrade before London. Yes, we're at a deficit compared to the Chinese and Russians on bars, but they have their weak events too. Anything can happen in 3-up 3 count.

We should be concerned about a weak event. Whose to say that we will be the only one with multiple 6.5 vaults by 2012. If we take 3 girls with Amanars some of these girls better be able to do some multiple events. And to be quite frank, once Komova and Grishina become eligible, if they are healthy and with Mustafina and Afanseyva also potentiall available, the only event Russia is going to be really behind on is vault. And they have enough time to develop some Amanars of their own.

The problem here is that yes the US has some girls with 6.0 routines but they are in the low 6.0 and they don't look that upgradable. Some of these Russian routines for example, they look very upgradable. I wouldn't assume that we won't be looking at some Russian routines in the 7.0s by 2012.

chipso1
08-13-2010, 03:30 AM
When did I say the U.S. would be taking three girls with Amanars? :confused: I only said that while we're relatively weak on UB now, we're very strong on VT. Obviously there's only room for one vault specialist on the 5-member squad in '12.

Whitcomb and Larson both look like they could upgrade their bar routines by adding more pirouettes in. Both have the "right body type" for this (i.e., quite long and slender). Yes, we should be concerned, but I don't think we've seen the U.S. girls max their potential on UB yet. Let's hope Martha works on them with this at the camps leading up to London.

I love how you say Russia has time to start developing Amanars, yet the U.S. will never upgrade on bars in time. :rolleyes:

chipso1
08-13-2010, 03:33 AM
I think you're likely correct, except I question Raisman. They might go with Davis instead as she is stronger on bars. But what do I know? :lol:

You may be right. We don't really need another strong vaulter if Sacramone, Bross, Larson, Sloan and Caquatto go.

Davis has fantastic flexibility and form on every event, and I thought she looked great tonight for coming off nearly 2 years of injuries. Her UB score was a nice surprise, and her BB and FX were both respectable with some definite room for improvement.

Karpenko
08-13-2010, 03:35 AM
http://www.gymnastike.org/video/351826-Vanessa-Zamarripa-2010-US-Nationals-Day-1-VT

Wow.

chipso1
08-13-2010, 03:38 AM
Jordyn Wieber BB (http://www.gymnastike.org/coverage/237446-2010-Visa-Championships/video/351798-Jordyn-Wieber-2010-US-Nationals-Day-1-BB)

Watch at your own risk. :(

Apparently she had both ankles taped after she did vault...

pollyanna
08-13-2010, 03:39 AM
Davis has fantastic flexibility and form on every event, and I thought she looked great tonight for coming off nearly 2 years of injuries. Her UB score was a nice surprise, and her BB and FX were both respectable with some definite room for improvement.

I agree. I was far more impressed with Davis than Raisman this evening. She needs to clean things up as far as wobbles, etc., but IMO she has more potential than Raisman. Raisman is strong, but her form is :yikes:

{{{Wieber}}} Not the coming out party she was hoping for. :(

BigB08822
08-13-2010, 03:51 AM
OMG at Zam's vault! That is one of the best Cheng's I have ever seen, the only obvious error was going to the side. With a better 2nd vault she could WIN a World or Olympic title. This comeback was wiser than I thought, I think she should go home and continue to work on some other events so she is an asset on more than just vault.

judgejudy27
08-13-2010, 04:19 AM
Bross running away with it, ugh. I knew this would happen but still was hoping for something else.

bek
08-13-2010, 04:47 AM
When did I say the U.S. would be taking three girls with Amanars? :confused: I only said that while we're relatively weak on UB now, we're very strong on VT. Obviously there's only room for one vault specialist on the 5-member squad in '12.

Whitcomb and Larson both look like they could upgrade their bar routines by adding more pirouettes in. Both have the "right body type" for this (i.e., quite long and slender). Yes, we should be concerned, but I don't think we've seen the U.S. girls max their potential on UB yet. Let's hope Martha works on them with this at the camps leading up to London.

I love how you say Russia has time to start developing Amanars, yet the U.S. will never upgrade on bars in time. :rolleyes:


Chipso, there are reports that Nabieva and Mustafina were throwing Amanars in podium training at the Japan Open. Sure they are going to be messy as hell but that's the report. And while I think that Whitcomb and Larson, COULD upgrade their bars, I'm not sure by how much. I.e to be quite frank if Larson was capable of getting up into the 6.8 on bars, she'd be higher than 6.0 right now on that event. Heck she would have been much higher for Beijing, given being that good on bars was a sure fire way of a ticket. Bars isn't really about necessarily just the right look. A lot of what bars is about is shoulder flexibility. And that's got to be developed when your young. And some of the skills that the Chinese and the Russians are doing, are skills that in order to do have to be started at a young age. And the problem is that a lot of the US girls aren't training those skills.


I actually wasn't saying the US couldn't improve on that event, but I was just saying that the US should be worried about it so it can be worked on.

chipso1
08-13-2010, 05:00 AM
Larson is in the 6.0's on bars. I believe she only got 5.9 SV (?) today because she lost a low-to-high bar connection at the beginning of her routine.

She looked good here, but I imagine she'll continue to upgrade in the off season. After all, she is coming off a broken foot. If she (and the other top U.S. bar prospects) are doing these same routines a year from now, then I'll start to worry. ;) London is still two years away, and a lot can happen in that time!

While I'm not sure if her comeback is serious, this could be incentive for Liukin to come back. If she can string together a 6.6+ SV bar routine and 6.0 beam routine, her place on the '12 team is all but assured.

I'd like to see Bross, Caquatto and Davis play around with the Li Ya release on bars. All three have such high releases, and I wonder if they would be able to pull it off.

bek
08-13-2010, 05:56 AM
While I'm not sure if her comeback is serious, this could be incentive for Liukin to come back. If she can string together a 6.6+ SV bar routine and 6.0 beam routine, her place on the '12 team is all but assured.

I'd like to see Bross, Caquatto and Davis play around with the Li Ya release on bars. All three have such high releases, and I wonder if they would be able to pull it off.

Well I actually think Bross and Caquatto as well. Of course I think Nastia should come back for bars. And I also think Marta should be really encouraging Mac to at least train for elite bars as well. I'm just not so sure about Larson as a Bars specialist. And the problem is once again its harder for older gymnasts to upgrade than younger gymnasts. The fact is Grishina especially is 14 and she's already at 6.5 with great execution. Komova is at 6.5, but she actually may be at 6.7 already depending on how the Komova transition is rated. There routines have some obvious upgrades to it. Whereas with Bross for example, she's going to have to people were saying learn some new skills, for upgrades. Mustafina is at around 6.8 at least with all of the stuff she's done at one point. And that's frankly already. And the US girls are struggling to get into the low 6.0s. Its an issue, its a real issue. People have been going over the bare bones of the routines that Alexandrov has these girls doing, and to be frank people are suggesting that with the structure and upgrade potential. Its frankly a smarter structure than what the Chinese are doing... In the sense of the ability to upgrade. The fact is someone like Grishina, she may two years from now be challenging Kexin.


And as for me saying the US girls may have 3 Amanars, I think its possible that one of our decent all arounders besides Jordyn could get an Amanar. I actually believe in the US girls vaulting ability..