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Jenna
08-10-2010, 06:36 AM
but i'm not completely happy with the idea of two 3A's in the LP too :wall:

Why? Points, points, points. The axel is one of her best jumps, and with the new rules a triple axel cheated between 1/4-1/2 rotations can still gain more points than a very good double axel with +1 GOE. None of the the triple axels downgraded this seasons were cheated more then 1/2 of a revolution. I support her decision fully.

WayCon
08-10-2010, 06:49 AM
Looking at the series of screen shots (well done, Runnershigh) I believe I see a perfect Lutz. I would say that Mao's jump isn't flutzed, based on what I believe is the criterion for a proper Lutz (or was the criterion last I heard) which is really the knee--whether or not it rolls over to the inside. We see that Mao's knee is still to the outside in images three and four. Note that by image four there is considerable ice coming off from the blade, and, thus, the blade is already snapping/skidding into the takeoff. I don't imagine a judge would consider that jump e-ed or even !-ed.

RunnersHigh
08-10-2010, 06:55 AM
Looking at the series of screen shots (well done, Runnershigh) I believe I see a perfect Lutz. I would say that Mao's jump isn't flutzed, based on what I believe is the criterion for a proper Lutz (or was the criterion last I heard) which is really the knee--whether or not it rolls over to the inside. We see that Mao's knee is still to the outside in images three and four. Note that by image four there is considerable ice coming off from the blade, and, thus, the blade is already snapping/skidding into the takeoff. I don't imagine a judge would consider that jump e-ed or even !-ed.

Truly, I respect your point of view.
FYI, no ! from the next season. ;)

WayCon
08-10-2010, 06:58 AM
Death to the !

Jenna
08-10-2010, 07:07 AM
Oh, I liked the !. I liked there to be a differentiation between, for example, a Kanako flutz and a Mirai flutz.

WayCon
08-11-2010, 05:41 AM
Oh, I liked the !. I liked there to be a differentiation between, for example, a Kanako flutz and a Mirai flutz.

Agreed.

Japanfan
08-11-2010, 07:07 AM
All power to the girl. To re-work all your jumps at the peak of your career is RISKY stuff but this is Mao. Say what you like about her, she sure does it her way and I admire her for her hard work, determination to be the very best skater that she can be and above all, not be afraid to fail in the short term in order to succeed later on. That takes a lot of maturity and personal insight to deal with, especially when your every move on the ice is scrutinised by the ever present Japanese media.

I agree, but question whether it is really possible for her to successfully rework all her jumps at this stage of her career. And, whether the cost in term of program quality and PCS scores may be too high.

Whether this strategy will work in the long run remains to be seen - and I hope it will, as Mao is my favourite lady - but I have my doubts.

RumbleFish
08-11-2010, 08:45 AM
Way better as it was but hard to say it is clean correct take-off. For me, the final take-off edge in the picture is not that different with her edge of flip.

Beside that, the toe is not picking an ice at all. With a full blade, pre-rotation more than 1/4 and forward jump it is.

My thoughts exactly. I would call it a loop with a strange entrance rather than a lutz.

RumbleFish
08-11-2010, 08:54 AM
The truth is during 08-09 season, Mao never got an "e" call. You could say her lutz was not stable, but an outside edge is an outside edge.

I haven't looked at protocols, but I do remember bunch of popped and doubled jumps during TEB, 4CC, WC,.. whatelse?


BTW. I really don't understand why you bother to appear in Mao threads. Why bother to spend time on someone you doesn't like?

I read and post in her threads because I find her and her fans entertaining and adorable. ;)

MikiAndoFan#1
08-11-2010, 01:01 PM
A new video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzrXR-gWDcw).

:)


I read and post in her threads because I find her and her fans entertaining and adorable. ;)

Yeah, we are adorable, huh?

:D :rolleyes:

Nikki Lee
08-11-2010, 01:08 PM
How can her body hold up for 4 more years?

miki88
08-11-2010, 01:24 PM
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wonderlen
08-11-2010, 04:23 PM
Why? Points, points, points. The axel is one of her best jumps, and with the new rules a triple axel cheated between 1/4-1/2 rotations can still gain more points than a very good double axel with +1 GOE. None of the the triple axels downgraded this seasons were cheated more then 1/2 of a revolution. I support her decision fully.

I agree. Also with 2A is limited back to two now, so barring any fall, attempting 3A is still sensible for her. She might even feel more comfortable doing 3A than 3Lz. I wouldn't be surprise if she didn't attempt her 3Lz until late in the season like GPF or 4CC.

FrouFrou
08-11-2010, 04:28 PM
A new video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzrXR-gWDcw).

:)

Thnx. The first part of the footage is some type of ceremony? The lutz looks good. :) Now she has to get the consistency pat down.

Coach Nagakubo's gaze towards Mao is that of a doting grandpa. :lol:

WayCon
08-11-2010, 05:22 PM
My thoughts exactly. I would call it a loop with a strange entrance rather than a lutz.

Often, coaches will say the loop, the flip and the Lutz are all the same jump with different entrances. Those three jumps can be lumped together in a training session.