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Seerek
08-08-2010, 12:05 AM
You could tell that Peggy would rather remove her own appendix with a knife and fork than say anything good about Elaine's skating. What other reason could there be except jealousy??

Peggy's comments of Elaine 11 years later were a little more complimentary ;)

Elaine Zayak - 1994 United States Championships Technical Program (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7kOLzvxxm8)

P.S. it would be tough to find another example of a skater who actually had a more difficult combination in competition from 10 years earlier..

The Fly On The Wall
08-09-2010, 05:23 AM
I do remember Elaine dissing Peggy somehow back then - dismissing moves in the field (????) or something as "Peggy Fleming stuff." And it was definitely not a compliment.

RE: Roz's figures, she did hire Kathy Casey specifically to coach her in figures sometime between 82 and 84.

skateboy
08-09-2010, 06:16 AM
I do remember Elaine dissing Peggy somehow back then - dismissing moves in the field (????) or something as "Peggy Fleming stuff." And it was definitely not a compliment.

Well, if she said that I can see how it would piss Peggy off.

I doubt Elaine meant to be rude--her interviews strike me a really sweet, naive kid who doesn't have a mean bone in her body. Like this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3Eqk6PoS1M

DORISPULASKI
08-09-2010, 10:14 AM
Peggy seemed to let up on Elaine a bit after Elaine failed to win the Olympics- or, if you will, after it was revealed that Elaine only had half a foot in that really amazing interview skateboy posted above when TV footage of the foot was shown on TV, which happened during the Olympics, just before Elaine skated her SP. But it's hard to be sure because Elaine was the only US skater at 1984 Worlds, due to the fact that USFS didn't name any alternates to World that year, and both Tiffany Chin and Roz weren't going. Roz retired after winning Olympics, and I think Tiffany was injured ? (that part I don't remember) after it was too late to name an alternate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_World_Figure_Skating_Championships#Ladies

There was no way Peggy was going on an anti Elaine jihad when she was the only US entrant. Also when all the audience knew about Elaine's foot, it would probably look like a bit beating up on a disabled person, too.

By 1994, Elaine had been retired from Pro skating for a long,long time. And Peggy wasn't doing very much either. It was a stretch for Peggy to play the Sugar Plum fairy in the infamous 1995 tour with Nicole Bobek playing Clara.

BTW, when barbtoob pegged Peggy as a Carlo Fassi home team rooter,she was absolutely correct. If it was one of Carlo's students, Peggy was noticeably on their side.

I doubt Elaine was dissing MITF, since her own performances were full of skating transitions and MITF of all sorts, even back to 1980. It might be the same thing Dorothy Hamill meant when interviewed by Time in 2007:

http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1669437,00.html



Who was your sports role model as you were growing up?

Certainly Peggy Fleming was, but Janet Lynn was the young woman I just idolized. I thought she had the perfect blend of athleticism, artistry, delicateness and power. And she was a beautiful blonde pixie with this radiant smile. She was just a generation before me. But Peggy Fleming was so beautiful, swan-like and elegant. I was in those days considered more of an athletic skater, so I knew I could never be like Peggy Fleming. I always thought that Janet Lynn was probably something realistic for me to aspire to.


Note that there was nothing IMO lacking in Janet Lynn's skating, either artistically or athletically. And Dorothy says so,too. So Dorothy's idea of what Peggy Fleming stuff might be was about some other quality (than artistry or athletics) in a skating performance. There isn't any better word for it than "Peggy Fleming stuff" perhaps.

falling_dance
08-09-2010, 10:22 AM
Never mind; I didn't read DORISPULASKI's post very carefully. :duh:

DORISPULASKI
08-09-2010, 11:13 AM
That's OK.

BTW, the way the Olympics SP was aired, first there was the Up CLose and Personal interview skateboy posted,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3Eqk6PoS1M

and immediately after the interview, Elaine skated (live, I think?):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2nzC7d_9-o

In the post interview (shown at the end of the above clip), Dick is particularly nice to Elaine. During the commentary, Peggy is rather subdued, as I'm sure anyone would be. Typically in a live event, the commentators I believe hear what's aired immediately before they are on the air, so Peggy's commentary in the SP should be viewed in the light of Elaine's interview about her foot. And of course, if it was tape delayed, Peggy would probably have seen the interview before commentating.

For those who want to catch up on Elaine today, there was an interview with her in March 2010 by lifeskate.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPenQi3Lvmo

gkelly
08-09-2010, 03:34 PM
Note that there was nothing IMO lacking in Janet Lynn's skating, either artistically or athletically. And Dorothy says so,too. So Dorothy's idea of what Peggy Fleming stuff might be was about some other quality (than artistry or athletics) in a skating performance. There isn't any better word for it than "Peggy Fleming stuff" perhaps.

Maybe "elegance," which is only one brand of artistry. So to be lacking that doesn't mean that the skater is lacking in general. But it's not a realistic style for everyone to aspire to.

DORISPULASKI
08-09-2010, 07:43 PM
Maybe elegance...although I'm not quite sure that's exactly it either.

A acquaintance of mine saw the ladies LP at Peggy's Olympics. If you recall, Peggy did not skate a particularly inspired LP. However, my friend said Peggy made all the other women "look like cows". And this was a woman that said that.

It's also important to recall that Peggy dropped nearly all technical content upon retiring, preferring to rely entirely on that quality. A single axel/one and a half flip was the height of her athletic difficulty after a few years. Perhaps a double something or other occasionally. She relied on well-cut, long, flowy dresses with shredded skirts, lovely arm movements, and the impact of her striking looks to substitute for techical difficulty. (By 1983 (coincidentally, just under 20 years after her Olympic victory.), when Peggy was the female lead in "Ice" with Toller Cranston and Robin Cousins at Radio City), she did not get good reviews. Toller, who, granted is known for snarkiness more than accuracy, described it this way:

P. 168, Zero Tollerance:


The reviews were published, and the show was a rave. The show was a hit. The show was the best skating show that had ever een, with one exception: Peggy Fleming was roasted en brochette.. Vivisected by The New York Post. She just didn't belong. Time had passed her by. The Olympic title and an incredible dress did not cut it. That reception jaundiced the entire run for her, I think, because she realized she couldn't suddenly make up for the time that she hadn't spent practicing. It was too late.

and again on p. 170:


When I arrived at Radio City, numbers of die-hards would be training. Robin rehearsed, but I would have been there earlier. The chorus always rehearsed, because it was the greatest chorus ever assembled in the history of the world. I never saw Peggy Fleming practice.

Peggy was perhaps feeling a bit vulnerable to all the young upstarts at that point.

vassily
08-09-2010, 08:34 PM
Thank-you for that. i did not know that Fleming had such problems keeping up after winning the ollympics. is there any videos on her skating in shows?

kwanfan1818
08-09-2010, 08:40 PM
The sad part is that she did work with Curry, and jumps were never the thing with him or his Compny. For whatever reason, Fleming was never accepted in that mode, when she was a natural for it.

skateboy
08-09-2010, 08:49 PM
Thank-you for that. i did not know that Fleming had such problems keeping up after winning the ollympics. is there any videos on her skating in shows?

Here ya' go...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXRJeY2pR1k&feature=related

CaptCrunch
08-09-2010, 09:00 PM
DorisP wrote about Peggy Fleming and her treatment on Elaine Zayak and what it might have looked like after 84 Olympics:

"There was no way Peggy was going on an anti Elaine jihad when she was the only US entrant. Also when all the audience knew about Elaine's foot, it would probably look like a bit beating up on a disabled person, too."

Not sure what you mean here Doris. ABC didn't have the contract to show worlds after Sarajevo Olympics, CBS did, so Peggy would not have had the chance to do any commentary about Elaine at 84 worlds.

manhn
08-09-2010, 09:13 PM
Abc def had the rights to the Olympics in 84.

DORISPULASKI
08-09-2010, 09:37 PM
I'm talking about the SP & the LP at Olympics, which were aired after the foot interview. This was in response to a poster who claimed that Peggy's SP commentary (which included the 'improved a very little bit' comment) showed Peggy being nice to Elaine.

After that tearjerker of an up close and personal, there is no way that Peggy could really get away with being her usual bitchy self. At that, she was still not particularly complimentary. Dick OTOH gushed. Really gushed.

John Mischa Petkevich and John Tesh (who found it almost impossible to pronounce the words "John Mischa Petkevich" ) were the commentators for CBS for 1984 worlds. I wasn't sure whether ABC did any Wide World of Sports commentary about 1984 worlds as part of their "news" segments, and whether Dick & Peggy or just Dick and Jim McKay would have done the news. I was at 1984 Worlds, so I didn't see it on TV until the wonder of youtube and fsvids. I thought perhaps that's what the poster was referring to.

After 1984 worlds, Elaine retired until her 1994 comeback, followed by her second retirement. By 1994, Peggy was seldom seen skating (it being 30 years since her Olympic victory). At that, you will see in she is still selling the, "Elaine now agrees triple jumps aren't important," line.

skateboy
08-09-2010, 11:35 PM
By 1994, Peggy was seldom seen skating (it being 30 years since her Olympic victory). At that, you will see in she is still selling the, "Elaine now agrees triple jumps aren't important," line.

Elaine didn't say triple jumps weren't important, although Peggy did imply she said that. Elaine talked about how she started the whole triple jump craze (true), but then jokingly said something like, "now these girls have to do so many triple jumps, it's terrible!"