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Bonita
08-01-2010, 12:13 AM
I just read that the pairs no longer have to do spiral sequences this year. But I also think I read that the ladies no longer have to either. What's up with this? I know the ISU made a lot of changes, but those threads were so long I couldn't read that much (low computer attention span). I love spiral sequences (or, at least, I did, until everyone did the same one).

Kasey
08-01-2010, 12:18 AM
I thought it was that, the spiral sequences would all be at a set base level and be scored only on GOE. But that they still would be present, although pairs will only do step sequence in the SP.

chipso1
08-01-2010, 12:19 AM
The spiral sequence is no longer a required element in the ladies SP, and it has a base value and will be judged soley on GOE in the FS.

Aussie Willy
08-01-2010, 12:56 AM
Spiral Sequences will only be judged in the FS as a Choregraphic Spiral sequence. So they will get a base value of 2.0 for the element and the judges will apply a GOE. They are no longer going to have a level called on them.

All I can say is thank god because they because the most boring part of a program to judge.

So we will probably get back to seeing some beautiful spiral sequences that are appropriate for the program rather than an element that has to be done.

Bonita
08-01-2010, 01:28 AM
I'm really sad. As a very longtime skating fan, they were often my favorite part of the SP. Step sequences bore me for the most part - and it's not that I don't appreciate them (I ice dance) - it's just that those are becoming cookie cutter too, even in ice dance (twizzle, grab blade with hand, repeat for ice dance, frenetic turns both directions for freestyle). I like COP a lot for jumps, that's about it. I think skating is going the way of gymnastics (my other favorite sport (to watch/can't even do a cartwheel), less popular because of the jidging (deliberate typo, LOL, favorite third hobby, watching SYTYCD). Thanks all for clarifying.

Gil-Galad
08-01-2010, 01:30 AM
I am really happy about that. Though I think the pair spirals were more horrific to watch than the ladies' spirals. The problem with the pairs was that even on the highest level those spirals looked painful, very few could make them look decent. On the other hand - lots of pair step sequences aren't really better.

miki88
08-01-2010, 01:44 AM
I'm really sad. As a very longtime skating fan, they were often my favorite part of the SP. Step sequences bore me for the most part - and it's not that I don't appreciate them (I ice dance) - it's just that those are becoming cookie cutter too, even in ice dance (twizzle, grab blade with hand, repeat for ice dance, frenetic turns both directions for freestyle). I like COP a lot for jumps, that's about it. I think skating is going the way of gymnastics (my other favorite sport (to watch/can't even do a cartwheel), less popular because of the jidging (deliberate typo, LOL, favorite third hobby, watching SYTYCD). Thanks all for clarifying.

I agree with you. I miss the excitment that comes with seeing perfect 6.0s and 10s. The CoP does some things better in terms of rewarding technical elements but I'm still not convinced it is that much better or objective than the older systems.

PEKINGMOO
08-01-2010, 04:48 AM
I am really happy about that. Though I think the pair spirals were more horrific to watch than the ladies' spirals. The problem with the pairs was that even on the highest level those spirals looked painful, very few could make them look decent. On the other hand - lots of pair step sequences aren't really better.

Under 6.0 there were some beautiful pair spiral sequences. G&G spiral in their SP in 1994 stands out. M&D and B&S also had some lovely spiral sequences in their SP's as well. The problem under CoP was 1.) both skaters had to be in the exact same position, held for 3 seconds crap 2.) higher level do to catch foot and change of edge. YAWN.

When only one partner has to be in a spiral position, there are more variations for the sequence. Why CoP just didn't follow 6.0 rules, I don't understand.

Crazy4G&G
08-01-2010, 06:17 AM
Totally agree with you pekingmoo, I wish only one partner has to be in the spiral position. Like you said, G&G's spiral in their 1994 SP is a perfect example of this, as is their spiral in their 1989 LP. But of course even when they were in the same position (like their Moonlight Sonata spiral) is an example of an elegant, simple spiral that takes skill to do. I also used to love B&S's signature spiral, it is one of the most beautiful pair moves I've ever seen.

sailornyanko
08-01-2010, 08:20 AM
Thank god the obligatory change of edge spiral is gone. I like doing them myself, but it was the most boring part of the routines. This will finally help to add some variety into the programs.

I disagree about complex steps being boring. 90's figure skating suffered too much from transitions that only consisted in crossovers and the typical jump-a-thon. Nobody can deny Buttle did fantastic step sequences but that's another topic.

Aussie Willy
08-01-2010, 09:49 AM
Under 6.0 there were some beautiful pair spiral sequences. G&G spiral in their SP in 1994 stands out. M&D and B&S also had some lovely spiral sequences in their SP's as well. The problem under CoP was 1.) both skaters had to be in the exact same position, held for 3 seconds crap 2.) higher level do to catch foot and change of edge. YAWN.

When only one partner has to be in a spiral position, there are more variations for the sequence. Why CoP just didn't follow 6.0 rules, I don't understand.
Well I hope that we will go back to seeing some beautiful spiral sequences. Such as a Nicole Bobek spiral. I loved her spirals. I would give her +3 even now.

I agree about G&G's spiral in their Moonlight Sonata LP. It was stunning.

The problem in pairs it is not so much the lady, but for most men the spirals just look fugly on them.

orbitz
08-01-2010, 12:29 PM
The problem in pairs it is not so much the lady, but for most men the spirals just look fugly on them.

Especially when the men attempt to do the catch foot spiral. Blech. Thank goodness we won't have to see that anymore.

PEKINGMOO
08-02-2010, 04:19 AM
Especially when the men attempt to do the catch foot spiral. Blech. Thank goodness we won't have to see that anymore.

The catch foot Y position spiral...OMG. How many ballsacs were sacrificed just to gain a level? :slinkaway

KayMil01
08-02-2010, 05:41 AM
So, spiral positions don't even need to be held 3 seconds? or did that rule not change?
I just don't wanna see very short spiral positions, when they're not held enough; like in the 80's early 90's.

Jenna
08-02-2010, 06:10 AM
Yes, they do. Ladies need to complete 2 spirals for 3 seconds each, or one spiral for 6 seconds.