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judgejudy27
07-30-2010, 04:49 PM
I think if Mao's 3x had been ratified at '10 Worlds, she would've scored around 73 pts.? Mirai had 70 pts. so I'm guessing that both clean, Mirai would only be about 3 pts. behind Mao which is really good for Mirai. Yu Na of course clean is significantly further ahead.

But if Mirai's triple-triple was not downgraded she also would have been around 73 points which is actually similar to what Mao would have gotten.

AxelAnnie
07-30-2010, 04:58 PM
I love Mirai...her spirit, attack, joy on the ice. I think she could, on any given night, compete equally with Mao. I don't think she can surpass Yu-Na. What Kim has, that IMO others lack, is the nuance, the way Kim can make every stroke, every move, and important and critical piece of the program. Couple that rare ability with her consistent delivery.....she is heads and shoulders above the others.

miki88
07-30-2010, 04:59 PM
But if Mirai's triple-triple was not downgraded she also would have been around 73 points which is actually similar to what Mao would have gotten.

Another reason why I'm glad the rules have been changed. There was just no incentive to put the triple axel in the SP before. Mao could have been better off just attempting her triple-triple even with the downgrades. Her risking the 3A all season despite this makes me think she was more in line with trying to set a personal record at the Olympics.

olympic
07-30-2010, 05:26 PM
But if Mirai's triple-triple was not downgraded she also would have been around 73 points which is actually similar to what Mao would have gotten.

OK. Good for Mirai. I don't have the protocols here at work, so I was going under the impression that Mirai's 3t of the 3z-3t got ratified but Mao's 3x was ur'd.

Eris
07-30-2010, 06:35 PM
Mirai's 3l-3t wasn't URed, she just got a minus GOE for it.

hanca
07-30-2010, 06:36 PM
I think Mirai could have done it the last season, but from this coming season Mao will have something extra by having the 3A and 3-3 combo. Clean Mao and clean Mirai, I don't think Mirai has a chance to beat Mao yet. The difference between 2A and 3A... Mao's other elements in SP are strong enough not to give Mirai chance to catch up. Mirai has got really lovely spins, but Mao's are not bad either so I doubt that she can catch up the point diffence on spins. Mao is very good with step sequence...
But if Mao is messing up, Mirai can of course beat her.

Jenna
07-30-2010, 06:40 PM
Mirai's 3l-3t wasn't URed, she just got a minus GOE for it.

It was definitely URed.

http://www.isuresults.com/results/wc2010/wc10_Ladies_SP_Scores.pdf

BTW, look at that - consistent +3 GOE on the layback. Has that ever been done before?

Marco
07-30-2010, 06:51 PM
It was definitely URed.

http://www.isuresults.com/results/wc2010/wc10_Ladies_SP_Scores.pdf

BTW, look at that - consistent +3 GOE on the layback. Has that ever been done before?

Zhang got that at least once a couple years ago.

orbitz
07-30-2010, 07:14 PM
What Kim has, that IMO others lack, is the nuance, the way Kim can make every stroke, every move, and important and critical piece of the program.

That's a tall order for anyone, don't you think? If Kim was competing under the 6.0 system, I doubt she would be getting 6.0s, if any, for the artistic mark.

michiruwater
07-30-2010, 07:23 PM
Zhang got that at least once a couple years ago.

Zhang got that several times over the past 4-ish years. I believe she was the first person under COP to get a level 4 an +3 across the board for an element.

miki88
07-30-2010, 07:24 PM
That's a tall order for anyone, don't you think? If Kim was competing under the 6.0 system, I doubt she would be getting 6.0s, if any, for the artistic mark.

Probably. Since no one has gotten a 10 yet in any of the categories for PCS in singles skating; not even at the Olympics.

Jenna
07-30-2010, 08:21 PM
I doubt a 10 will ever be achieved. Sure, 1 or 2 judges might give it once in a blue moon, but for the majority of the panel to give one is highly unlikely.

iarispiralllyof
07-30-2010, 08:28 PM
it'll be like under the 6.0 system. a 10 would be way more likely under nationals and even rarer at sth like worlds or olympics

hanca
07-30-2010, 08:58 PM
Well, it seems to me that the PCS are slowly (very slowly) raising acros the board (like everyones PCS), so it may be that in 20 years they slowly get there. (Inflation). Maybe then they invent that the top ceiling is 15 and not 10...

Jenna
07-30-2010, 10:11 PM
Well, PCS was really high at the games, as it always is. But, at Worlds, I would say that they are more back with the norm (Flatt & Suzuki - high 6's, Asada - high 7's, Kim - high 7's, low 8's)