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miki88
07-30-2010, 05:40 PM
All the skaters get negative GOEs and one point deduction for falls, as they are supposed to be under the rules.

Since you were complaining about skaters winning medals despite falls, I just brought up the most prominent case.
Why have you changed your view all of a sudden and think it's not a crime to fall as long as points are deducted?

I don't mind people being critical, but please at least try to be fair and objective.

All I said was that falls and sloppy performances weren't penalized enough. I didn't say the skaters who had falls didn't deserve their medals. I find it hilarious you're giving me advice to be fair and objective since I hardly find your posts at all objective :lol:

RumbleFish
07-31-2010, 05:20 AM
You aren't being very fair and objective yourself. You can call it a 'failed triple axel', but how can you say it was a 'failed cheat triple axel' if she fell before she even took off?

The fall happened while she was skidding on the ice before her intended take-off. An axel jump is supposed to take-off on the outside edge, but some skaters skid too much and take-off on the inside edge, effectively performing a salchow instead of an axel.
I wouldn't think such a fall would have been possible had she entered the jump on a correct edge.

RumbleFish
07-31-2010, 05:40 AM
All I said was that falls and sloppy performances weren't penalized enough. I didn't say the skaters who had falls didn't deserve their medals. I find it hilarious you're giving me advice to be fair and objective since I hardly find your posts at all objective :lol:

That's funny, because I don't see ANYONE saying skaters who fall don't deserve their medals. :P

I happen to think skaters are penalized enough for falls on their TES, though I do sometimes wonder interruptions to their performance are reflected enough on program components.

I must say though, gold medalist of 08 Worlds wouldn't have won had there been stricter penalties for falls like you say, as her margin of victory was a mere point.
Though you and I have our differences, it seems we agree in the end that winner of 08 Worlds didn't deserve her gold medal. :lol:

briancoogaert
07-31-2010, 02:34 PM
Women:

Surya Bonaly : lack of basic edges, and grace.
Fumie Suguri : not that impressive compared to Slutskaya, Kwan, and other from her era.
Joannie Rochette : mostly nerves.
Caryn Kadavy : too short career


Men:

Christopher Bowman : lack of practices.
Takeshi Honda : nerves ?
Philipe Candelero : lack of practices !


Pairs:

Meno and Sand : style...too generic


Dance:

Drobiazko & Vanagas : lack of basic skating (for her) and small federation...
Moniotte & Lavanchy : lack of originality ?
Rahkammo & Kokko : programs too easy...I'm happy they didn't win the World title (but I loved them...)

blue_idealist
08-01-2010, 12:51 AM
Do you think Joannie would have fared better in another era? I am not sure she would been better off in Kwan/Slutskaya era either. Her skating technique is very solid but she also lacks the "it" factor that truly sets her apart from others. She also doesn't help herself by being inconsistent for most of her career.

I think she would have fared worse. It's her PCs marks that keep her up where she is, usually. Her mistakes on her jumps would be more penalized under 6.0, I think. I think under 6.0 Mirai would have beat her at the 2010 Olympics.

judgejudy27
08-01-2010, 06:11 PM
Kwan and Slutskaya won all their major events by skating cleanly. Since Joannie never skates cleanly that would already make it difficult for her to win in their era. Is Joannie even really that much better than say Fumie Suguri in her prime? And Fumie was no threat whatsoever to Kwan or Slutskaya.

blue_idealist
08-12-2010, 09:03 PM
Kwan and Slutskaya won all their major events by skating cleanly. Since Joannie never skates cleanly that would already make it difficult for her to win in their era. Is Joannie even really that much better than say Fumie Suguri in her prime? And Fumie was no threat whatsoever to Kwan or Slutskaya.

I agree. She's probably slightly better than Suguri, but not much. Both had/have jump/consistency problems, and neither of them make the program look easy, as someone like Yu-Na or Michelle does.. it looks like they're working hard (Fumie and Joannie).

Jenna
08-12-2010, 10:48 PM
I think under 6.0 Mirai would have beat her at the 2010 Olympics.

I agree. I think Mirai could have been as high as second under 6.0, but it would've been close. Mao's two 3A would also have been more valued.