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Seerek
07-15-2010, 10:42 PM
Any examples where two rival competitors ended up having the same coach, but from that point onward, there appeared to be a wide gap in success between the rivals?

IceKween
07-16-2010, 12:26 AM
Sasha Cohen and NNN?

aftershocks
07-16-2010, 01:00 AM
Maybe there are more examples, but I think in most cases elite skaters will leave for another coach if they feel a rival is receiving more attention, or if they feel any conflicts are hampering their development. (E.g., Yagudin left Mishin for TAT, while Plushy remained).

So far the coaching situation for ice dancers V/M and D/W hasn't appeared to be a drawback -- it bodes watching now that each team are no longer just up-and-comers, but rivals for the top spot, especially with their ascendancy at Olympics and Worlds, and the retirement of other top teams.

loopey
07-16-2010, 01:30 AM
IIRC Russian/Soviet Teams of the past may have some examples, although I can't think of any.

Moskvina coached: Natalia/Artur & Bechke/Petrov
Moskvina coached: Artur/Oksana & Elena/Anton
Tat coached: AngelicaKrylova/OlegO & PashaGrishuk/Platov

In the above cases IMHO no one team seemed to suffer, so perhaps these coaches know how to balance two top teams. I know that K/O left TAT, was it because they felt she was spending too much time with G/P? IF so, I am still not sure this is an example of the original question posed because they were the #2 Ice Dance team in the World. Hardly bad results.

orbitz
07-16-2010, 05:13 AM
Jill Trenary and Caryn Kadavy both had Carlo Fassi as their coach. Caryn did leave Fassi later because of the rivalry between her and Jill.

Tim and Evan both had Frank for a while.

pumba
07-16-2010, 05:39 AM
Tat coached: AngelicaKrylova/OlegO & PashaGrishuk/Platov

In the above cases IMHO no one team seemed to suffer, so perhaps these coaches know how to balance two top teams. I know that K/O left TAT, was it because they felt she was spending too much time with G/P? IF so, I am still not sure this is an example of the original question posed because they were the #2 Ice Dance team in the World. Hardly bad results.

I even checked the Wiki in case I missed something important :D. I thought it was Linichuck who coached both couples and G/P left to TAT because of Linichuck's favoritism towards K/O :)

Kwantumleap
07-16-2010, 06:39 AM
The more interesting version for me is Two rival coaches, one skater - one succeeded, the other... not so much :)

MR-FAN
07-16-2010, 07:03 AM
Both Jeremy and Mroz were coached by Tom Z, both placed 1st and 2nd at the 2009 Nats, then Jeremy left Tom and had a very good season, while Mroz... :slinkaway

But it's too early to write Brandon off

bardtoob
07-16-2010, 07:42 AM
Scott Hamilton Vs Scott Cramer

attyfan
07-16-2010, 02:17 PM
Frank Carroll and the Kwan sisters. Didn't the Asada sisters also have the same coach(es) while in Japan, as well as sharing Rafael Artourian?

MOIJTO
07-16-2010, 02:27 PM
Most coaches have many skaters in their stable and not all can be stars!

danceronice
07-16-2010, 03:29 PM
Frank Carroll and the Kwan sisters. Didn't the Asada sisters also have the same coach(es) while in Japan, as well as sharing Rafael Artourian?

Especially in Michelle and Karen's case, can you really consider that rivalry? It was pretty clear who was looking at a shot at the very top of the sport fairly early, and it wasn't a matter of Frank focusing on one over the other. Plus is Mao's sister at or likely to ever reach the degree of success she has?

I would think in most cases it's nothing to do with sharing a coach, at least when we're talking young singles skaters. Some have more potential than others, some have fewer injuries, some have a different work ethic.

UGG
07-16-2010, 04:02 PM
I would imagine its really hard for a sibling to watch the other shoot up the ranks while they just kind of...don't. Or even for someone like Emily Hugues who is an actual Olympian but has to be compared to her sister who is the OGM.

gk_891
07-16-2010, 06:11 PM
I even checked the Wiki in case I missed something important :D. I thought it was Linichuck who coached both couples and G/P left to TAT because of Linichuck's favoritism towards K/O :)

I think you're right about that, I don't ever recall Tarasova coaching K/0. I've read so many different versions of how exactly it went down. Linichuk claims that G/P willingly left while G/P claim that Linichuk left them in the cold because she was determined to push them into the professional ranks so she could lead K/O to the 98 gold.

Romanova & Yaroshenko also left Linichuk for somewhat similar reasons, because she was focusing much of her attention on her Russian teams (K/O and L/A) and so they made the move to Tarasova in 97 or 98 if I'm not mistaken.

I wonder if you could include Natalia Dubova's pupils in this discussion back when she was the premier Soviet ice dance coach. Usova & Zhulin did pretty well for themselves anyways but they were in the company of a technically superiour team in Klimova & Ponomarenko. And then of course Grishuk & Platov overtook them although G/P had already left Dubova when that happened. I might also mention Navka & Gezalian when they were being coached by Dubova (they were her 4th team in 1991 I think). They had very strong programs in 1992, 1993, and 1994 but in 1992, they couldn't even make it to the Olympics or Worlds because of the other 3 strong teams while in 1993 and 1994, they barely made much of an impression on the judges (although I thought they should have placed higher in both 93 and 94).

1993 Worlds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUW8jr5oc3c

1994 Worlds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfCPc67oprk&feature=related

Vyacheslav Zagarodnyuk (sp?) did ok for himself but he wasn't nearly as successful as his training mate Viktor Petrenko or Oksana Baiul. I can't think of any other examples off the top of my head.

overedge
07-16-2010, 06:35 PM
When Carlo Fassi was coaching Curry, Cousins and Hamilton in the mid- to late-70s, he was also coaching a good number of skaters from what I think was pretty much every country in Europe at the time :lol: I guess there would have been some rivalries there...