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Cheylana
07-19-2010, 04:45 PM
Right?! That's because all the "information" is older than the hills! It's devolved from Johnny sitting out the season to the ancient history of his CCCP jacket and whether or not we should love our neighbor! It does keep one coming back though. lol
Never a dull moment in this thread! :D

The reason JacketGate keeps coming up though is that Johnny's ubers act like Johnny has never done anything to invite the USFS' ire, and so other people bring up these past incidents, and it gets rehashed ad nauseum.

I don't think the issue with the jacket was about the ancient history of the Soviet Union, or even necessarily about the sponsors wanting him to tout Ralph Lauren. I think that Johnny was already on thin ice (pardon the pun!) with the USFS from back at Nationals with the whole kerfluffle over the Ryan Bradley/cocaine joke. USFS asked Johnny to apologize and he gave a sarcastic apology. And then it just sort of snowballed from there, with Johnny showing up on Olympic practice ice wearing what many Americans would view as a Team Russia jacket. I know it's a Soviet Union jacket, but it's a mere technicality since many Americans see Soviet Union and Russia as synonymous. This, combined with his public love of all things Russia (recall he was openly rooting for Irina Slutskaya and Totmianina & Marinin to win gold, and said Plushenko would win gold and all other men were competing for silver and bronze) led many to view the jacket as further proof that his loyalties were with Team Russia, not Team USA. And let's be real, Olympics are about individual dreams, but also to a large extent about national pride and stuff. I think Priscilla in Pop Star on Ice, said something to the effect of, every practice was a nightmare because they kept asking Johnny to remove the jacket, which implies that he refused their request.

Brandi_DeLain
07-19-2010, 06:52 PM
You can search some old posts, Evan was often teased about the excess of "courage" talk.;)


And so can you, since you made the claim in the first place. Source?

I found these Evan quotes in a quick google search:

NY Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/17/sports/olympics/17skate.html?pagewanted=print) - "It's hard because I dreamed about the Olympics for upwards of a decade, and that dream didn't include getting sick with a stomach flu, getting stuck with IV's, having my veins collapse and falling in the short program," said Lysacek, 20. "It became about something different courage."

Chicago Tribune (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-lysackey-archive8,0,6239837.story) - "To me, what I did is a medal," Lysacek said. "I thought the Olympics was about winning and being perfect. I learned it was about courage."

bandit
07-19-2010, 08:43 PM
Evan did show a lot of courage in Torino. I don't see why he should'nt talk about it, especially if reporters ask him about it. They're aware of the situation and want to share it with the public because it's a good sports story. People want to hear about the athlete who overcame obstacles, perservered, and emerged victorious (in Evan's case, skating a great free skate was a victory in itself after his bad start). They don't want to hear about the guy who could have won a medal and let it slip through his fingers with a disastrous free skate.

REO
07-19-2010, 10:32 PM
Evan did show a lot of courage in Torino. I don't see why he should'nt talk about it, especially if reporters ask him about it. They're aware of the situation and want to share it with the public because it's a good sports story. People want to hear about the athlete who overcame obstacles, perservered, and emerged victorious (in Evan's case, skating a great free skate was a victory in itself after his bad start). They don't want to hear about the guy who could have won a medal and let it slip through his fingers with a disastrous free skate.

Well you're kinda right and kinda wrong. I agree people love a story about someone who overcame and persevered but they sure wanted to hear about someone who let a medal slip through his fingers too. It was all about Johnny at Torino. Granted after he lost there was alot of negative stuff but he also made the front page of the NY Times just for partying. lol Even in Vancouver he got as much coverage as the winners. The press love him because of his quirks and free speech. He's so much more interesting than the "I just wanted to do my best" crowd. Not to knock Evan because I think he deserved to win and I loved having him on DWTS but IMO, if he hadn't done that tv show after the Olympics, he'd be a forgotten hero already. He's just not interesting.

overedge
07-20-2010, 05:48 AM
It was all about Johnny at Torino. Granted after he lost there was alot of negative stuff but he also made the front page of the NY Times just for partying. lol Even in Vancouver he got as much coverage as the winners.

Um, no, he did not. Except maybe in your parallel universe.

igniculus
07-20-2010, 06:43 AM
he also made the front page of the NY Times just for partying. lol

And that's a big accomlishment? :shuffle: Making the front page for partying? As a foreigner, I'd guess it's a honorable thing to appear on the front page of such a prestigious newspaper, and that you would have to do something admirable to do so. But maybe that's just me. :slinkaway


Not to knock Evan because I think he deserved to win and I loved having him on DWTS but IMO, if he hadn't done that tv show after the Olympics, he'd be a forgotten hero already. He's just not interesting.

I'd phrase this as "he is just not interesting for folks who find Johnny interesting". Evan has his share of qualities too, that are visibly very different from Johnny, and it appeals to a totally different type of people. To them, he is not boring, or robotic, or whatever words Johnny-fans use to describe him.

REO
07-20-2010, 03:50 PM
Um, no, he did not. Except maybe in your parallel universe.

And you know this because you watched every tv show and read every newspaper and online mag regarding Johnny? He got tons of coverage. Somehow I doubt you Google him every day.

DickButtonFan
07-20-2010, 04:05 PM
Johnny has been on tmz, perez and a ton of other gossip sites during and after Vancouver. He gets a lot of press for a figure skater and I have only seen yuna on perez once or twice, but Johnny dozens of times.

REO
07-20-2010, 04:15 PM
And that's a big accomlishment? :shuffle: Making the front page for partying? As a foreigner, I'd guess it's a honorable thing to appear on the front page of such a prestigious newspaper, and that you would have to do something admirable to do so. But maybe that's just me. :slinkaway



I'd phrase this as "he is just not interesting for folks who find Johnny interesting". Evan has his share of qualities too, that are visibly very different from Johnny, and it appeals to a totally different type of people. To them, he is not boring, or robotic, or whatever words Johnny-fans use to describe him.

I'm not sure if you and I have a communication problem or if you deliberately like to criticize what I say, for whatever reason, but I never said being on the front page of the Times was either a good or bad thing. I just said he made the front page just for partying, meaning that people were interested in him win or lose. I thought that was pretty clear.

As to your second point ITA. I'm sure Evan is a good guy. I've never met him but I've seen him on talk shows and he seems nice. Certainly he has his fans who could never appreciate Johnny. Different strokes for different folks. I just think that once the flurry of attention because of the Olympics was over he would not have remained in the public eye if he hadn't done DWTS. The American public is fickle.

REO
07-20-2010, 04:32 PM
Johnny has been on tmz, perez and a ton of other gossip sites during and after Vancouver. He gets a lot of press for a figure skater and I have only seen yuna on perez once or twice, but Johnny dozens of times.

True but not even just gossip sites. There was huge coverage because of the controversy caused by those two bozos who said he should be gender tested. There was quite a bit of coverage because people thought he was underscored. There was coverage because of his costumes and the extravagant roses his fans gave him at the competition. One of the girls who won the snowboarding gave him her jacket or something and that was covered. There was coverage of him and Tan rooming together. And of course who can forget the coverage regarding the fur on his costume and the Mounties who escorted him from the airport to the Olympic Village just in case some Peta crackpots went after him! lol There was alot of Johnny at the Olympics. Especially for a man who came in as the #3 skater for America and ended up in 6th place!

Rex
07-20-2010, 04:38 PM
He was even on Wendy Williams! :scream:

overedge
07-20-2010, 05:50 PM
And you know this because you watched every tv show and read every newspaper and online mag regarding Johnny? He got tons of coverage. Somehow I doubt you Google him every day.

If you Google him every day....guess what. You're just going to get stories about Johnny, and miss most of everything else.

If you seriously think that he got more coverage than the Evan-Evgeny smackdown, then you are deluded.


There was quite a bit of coverage because people thought he was underscored.

On Johnny fan websites, maybe. The general media were more concerned with Evan-Evgeny and the quad issue (and Joannie Rochette's sad story, and the offensive "aboriginal" OD, etc. etc. etc.)

REO
07-20-2010, 07:48 PM
If you Google him every day....guess what. You're just going to get stories about Johnny, and miss most of everything else.

If you seriously think that he got more coverage than the Evan-Evgeny smackdown, then you are deluded.



On Johnny fan websites, maybe. The general media were more concerned with Evan-Evgeny and the quad issue (and Joannie Rochette's sad story, and the offensive "aboriginal" OD, etc. etc. etc.)

LOL I don't Google him every day. That was just a joke which obviously went right over the old cranium. The only fansite I belong to is the Angel board. I don't have Twitter or a Facebook account. I'm pretty much roadkill on the internet highway but I'm not uninformed either. Of course those things got lots of coverage. There were tons of stories coming out of the Olympics. Some of them not even about skating. :wideeyes: But he got an inordinate amount of press for a person who did not medal and was not expected to from the beginning. I don't recall Matt Savoie (sorry Matt I love you) getting alot of attention in Torino as USA #3 and no medal.

REO
07-20-2010, 07:50 PM
He was even on Wendy Williams! :scream:

Yeah only the best for our Johnny. She's....interesting. lol

Rex
07-20-2010, 08:09 PM
Yeah only the best for our Johnny. She's....interesting. lol
He seems to be getting a lot of exposure in the tabloid-type shows.