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pinky166
07-10-2010, 11:06 PM
While it was a really beautiful jump, I don't think it's in the same standard of Midori's. Not yet, anyway.

Allow me to correct myself, I meant to say that it has the potential to become Midori-worthy by the time she is a senior lady. Midori's 3a was at it's best during her 20s, so Liza's will probably get more spring and power as she gets bigger.

Ziggy
07-11-2010, 12:10 AM
there is no way that jump is cheated. that much of a powerful running edge after the jump and the flow coming out of the jump is not what happens with a clean jump. cheated jumps tend to curl around a lot more or lack that kind of flow...

It is cheated. A bit under 1/4. I would take a screenshot for you to prove it, if I had the video downloaded to my computer but don't know how to download it from YouTube (and can't be arsed to go to all the trouble of finding out how to and doing it :P).

A lot of cheated jumps manage to get good flow out actually. Provided the cheat is slight and not major obviously.

Look at Yu-Na Kim's triple lutz/triple toe combinations, for example. Or Mao Asada's triple axels (some of them not all of course).


I watched it in the slow motion and think it was about 1/8 but not more, so she would get full credit for that and positive GOE.

Even though GOE should be reduced for cheated jumps. /sigh

It's such a pet peeve of mine.

I'd give her +1 for the good exit and decent flow and -1 for the cheat equalling 0 GOE.

bek
07-11-2010, 12:41 AM
It is cheated. A little bit under 1/4. I

I don't think jumps that are within the correct range can be called cheated. Its not an exact science. That jump is big, and controlled.


I have to say, though, this was really pretty in the air. I was honestly expecting some raggedy triple axle when I went to watch the video.
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She's a Mishin student, I can't ever see him letting a student display a raggedy jump. He's got a reputation to withhold. Frankly the fact above is the good thing about Eliza, she has very good jumping technique, and that's going to withhold her in very good stead as she grows.

Ziggy
07-11-2010, 03:21 AM
I don't think jumps that are within the correct range can be called cheated. Its not an exact science. That jump is big, and controlled.

Everything that isn't fully rotated is cheated. Or under-rotated. Or whatever other word you want to use. But it's just arguing about semantics.

If you look at the GOE marking criteria, jumps which aren't fully rotated should be penalised.

That refers to all the jumps, which aren't fully rotated, and not just the ones that get downgraded.

The majority of skaters fully rotate their jumps when they land them. It would be nice if they got rewarded for that.

Ziggy
07-11-2010, 03:52 AM
Thanks to Ozzisk8tr, I've found out how to download YouTube clips (YAY!) and I have taken some pictures.

Unfortunately the video quality is very poor so they are not particularly clear.

Slow-mo on Media Player Classic is very limited too (anyone knows a program with better slo-mo? - I wish I could have access to the same kind of equipment the Technical Panel does :drama:).

http://img101.imageshack.us/g/3axellanding1.jpg/

Picture 1 - I think she's still in the air, might have touched the ice already though
Picture 2 - I think she's touched the ice already, might be still in the air though
Picture 3 - she's definitely landed by then

key65man
07-11-2010, 06:31 PM
No wonder why Ziggy has been rather mellow lately. Too exhausted from the hard work to call my favorite skaters boring or nerdy. :D

BigB08822
07-11-2010, 06:41 PM
That was really good and there was something I really liked about the way she moved over the ice. I think she has tons of potential. From the video she already seems a little taller than most jumping beans so maybe she will just fill out and not get a lot taller, similar to the way Kwan went through puberty. I think it will give her a much better chance at retaining her jumps.

mariek
07-11-2010, 09:39 PM
The kid has a lot of potential! Great technique! Who is her coach?

Autumn_girl
07-11-2010, 09:41 PM
The kid has a lot of potential! Great technique! Who is her coach?
Alexei Mishin, Plushenko's coach

oleada
07-11-2010, 11:13 PM
That was really good and there was something I really liked about the way she moved over the ice. I think she has tons of potential. From the video she already seems a little taller than most jumping beans so maybe she will just fill out and not get a lot taller, similar to the way Kwan went through puberty. I think it will give her a much better chance at retaining her jumps.

She's got really nice basics aside from the wonderful jumps, and I like how she uses her arms. When she debuted at Russian senior nationals a few years ago (and had the highest TES in the LP), she had a horrible toe-axel that is pretty much gone now. Her 3Lz is also excellent. She gets great height and spring on it.

parasolka
07-12-2010, 05:58 PM
She's got really nice basics aside from the wonderful jumps, and I like how she uses her arms. When she debuted at Russian senior nationals a few years ago (and had the highest TES in the LP), she had a horrible toe-axel that is pretty much gone now. Her 3Lz is also excellent. She gets great height and spring on it.

You are right her 3Lz is a textbook. But what is more astonishing that her 3Lz-3t combo. She usually opened her programs with it last year. It is so light and airy, not much worse than Kim's 3Lz-3t combo.

Autumn_girl
07-12-2010, 07:16 PM
She's got really nice basics aside from the wonderful jumps, and I like how she uses her arms. When she debuted at Russian senior nationals a few years ago (and had the highest TES in the LP), she had a horrible toe-axel that is pretty much gone now. Her 3Lz is also excellent. She gets great height and spring on it.

I just watched her performances at Russian Nationals
2007-2008 season (her technique was far from perfect)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfK1jJD3yd0
2008-2009 season
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PMYWSx09RU&feature=related
2009-2010 season
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGcUOkAKFDs&feature=related
I can hardly believe it's the same girl. She improved a lot and every year she is better than before, not only her jumps, but her skating overall. I guess next year she can be even better

Rock2
07-12-2010, 08:21 PM
Great 3A! Hope she will not 'outgrow' it as she matures.

The arm movements I could do with less.........

No worries. There's always hormonal puberty-suppression therapy that figure skating can adopt from gymnastics. Keeps you tiny so that you can develop enough to win the big medal, although you'll go through life sounding like you have sucked a helium balloon (think "Kerry Strug")

No way I would have believed that kid could do that good of an axel watching her skating into it. I expected to her do it cleanly but her body would collapse a bit on the landing. Very strong.

pinky166
07-12-2010, 11:47 PM
No worries. There's always hormonal puberty-suppression therapy that figure skating can adopt from gymnastics. Keeps you tiny so that you can develop enough to win the big medal, although you'll go through life sounding like you have sucked a helium balloon (think "Kerry Strug")

No way I would have believed that kid could do that good of an axel watching her skating into it. I expected to her do it cleanly but her body would collapse a bit on the landing. Very strong.

Yikes, probably not the best idea. Further, in general it seems that figure skaters don't have the same tendency to stunt their growth as gymnasts do, given that most figure skaters are taller than the average gymnast. Apparently she doesn't have the genetic predisposition to be tall though, so she may stay tiny. I know her legs are long, but it doesn't neccessarily mean she'll be tall. Christina Gao has super long legs and is only 5'2", and given that she's 16, she likely will only grow another inch tops.

Ziggy
07-22-2010, 02:02 AM
No wonder why Ziggy has been rather mellow lately. Too exhausted from the hard work to call my favorite skaters boring or nerdy. :D

You're Canadian (aren't you? ;)), you can't help it. :P