Rank womens Olympic medal winning LPs since 1992

[olympic]

^Watched again this AM out of curiosity. 6 triples/1 2x and good spins, edges, fw. OTOH her one jump combo was shaky, stepped out of 2x, and rocky 3f [what is up with the 3f?]. Maybe I would've had her in front of Chen Lu.

At any rate, I think we can all agree that Kerrigan, Chen, Sato all should've easily dispatched Baiul....Now, could Bonaly have dispatched Baiul in Lillehamer??

[Cheylana]

^Watched again this AM out of curiosity. 6 triples/1 2x and good spins, edges, fw. OTOH her one jump combo was shaky, stepped out of 2x, and rocky 3f [what is up with the 3f?]. Maybe I would've had her in front of Chen Lu.

At any rate, I think we can all agree that Kerrigan, Chen, Sato all should've easily dispatched Baiul....Now, could Bonaly have dispatched Baiul in Lillehamer??
Doubt it, she didn't beat her at '93 Worlds with a great skate, she wasn't gonna get it done with her botched '94 Olympic freeskate.

BTW, real-life people still drink the Oksana Kool-Aid. My friend the other day was insisting that she was glad Oksana won in '94 because she was so adorable and who cares about 2-footed jumps and technical merit anyway. :rolleyes:

[museksk8r]

That home wrecker! ;)

:P:rofl:

[ponta1]

This is Sato's Olympic LP:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2u2Qk4Fd9s

Excellent performance even with a few shaky jumps. The best part is the ending where she flies to the finish and shows off her incredible speed, amazing footwork, and closes with an excellent scratch spin.

Just watched this, and wow! Yuka really skated great, and boy, she really does have amazing speed and footwork!!! What a wonderful, wonderful skater!!!

[neptune]

At any rate, I think we can all agree that Kerrigan, Chen, Sato all should've easily dispatched Baiul

Except at "ensorceling." Oksana obviously rocked in that area. ;) She sold that program like nobody's business, and it paid off. At the time, even Carol Heiss Jenkins said she thought Oksana deserved to win.

Here's what I would like to know:

1) If Nancy had been reigning world champion and everything else the same, would she have won?

2) If Nancy had landed her triple flip, would she have won?

3) And going back to '93 Worlds, if Nancy had landed, say, 4 triples in the LP (as she did at '92 Skate America), would she have won there?

Inquiring minds want to know. ;)

[Spinner]

Except at "ensorceling." Oksana obviously rocked in that area. ;) She sold that program like nobody's business, and it paid off. At the time, even Carol Heiss Jenkins said she thought Oksana deserved to win.

Here's what I would like to know:

1) If Nancy had been reigning world champion and everything else the same, would she have won?

2) If Nancy had landed her triple flip, would she have won?

3) And going back to '93 Worlds, if Nancy had landed, say, 4 triples in the LP (as she did at '92 Skate America), would she have won there?

Inquiring minds want to know. ;)

yes, yes and maybe

[judgejudy27]

Except at "ensorceling." Oksana obviously rocked in that area. ;) She sold that program like nobody's business, and it paid off. At the time, even Carol Heiss Jenkins said she thought Oksana deserved to win.

Here's what I would like to know:

1) If Nancy had been reigning world champion and everything else the same, would she have won?

2) If Nancy had landed her triple flip, would she have won?

3) And going back to '93 Worlds, if Nancy had landed, say, 4 triples in the LP (as she did at '92 Skate America), would she have won there?

Inquiring minds want to know. ;)


1. Heck yeah. Easily.

2. Yes I believe so. It would have been impossible for 3 of the judges to justify placing Baiul in front based on the technical mark (with the same 2nd mark). It was ridiculous enough as it was, but now would be unimaginable.

3. I think Nancy would have needed to land 5 triples including both the triple lutz and triple flip to win the 93 Worlds. Her performance from 92 Skate America would have won her the bronze over Chen and Sato with a 3rd or 4th place finish in the LP phase.

[BmcC102]

1998 Tara Lipinski
2006 Shizuka Arakawa
1994 Nancy Kerrigan
2002 Sarah Hughes
1998 Michelle Kwan
1998 Lu Chen
1994 Lu Chen
2006 Sasha Cohen
2010 Joannie Rochette
2010 Yu-Na Kim
2010 Mao Asada
2002 Michelle Kwan
2002 Irina Slutskaya
1994 Oksana Baiul
2006 Irina Slutskaya

[smarts1]

Except at "ensorceling." Oksana obviously rocked in that area. ;) She sold that program like nobody's business, and it paid off. At the time, even Carol Heiss Jenkins said she thought Oksana deserved to win.

Here's what I would like to know:

1) If Nancy had been reigning world champion and everything else the same, would she have won?

2) If Nancy had landed her triple flip, would she have won?

3) And going back to '93 Worlds, if Nancy had landed, say, 4 triples in the LP (as she did at '92 Skate America), would she have won there?

Inquiring minds want to know. ;)

Interesting questions!

1. Most likely. Politics!

2. 100% of course. Is that even a joke? All the 5.7s would have been 5.8s and we might have seen one or two 5.9s for technical merit.

3. Umm... Depends on which triples. Her program from 93 had a flip, lutz, two salchows, a loop, and a toe loop (although she did another one at Worlds since she was failing technically.) I'd say with four triples she probably would have medalled (with at least a lutz or flip clean) and with five she might have won gold (with both the flip and lutz). But this one is really interesting because everyone in the top 3 had a perfect skate that night and who knows what the judges would have done if Nancy botched even one jump...

What really bothered me about the program Nancy put out at 93 Worlds is that Paul said that Nancy had LESS technical difficulty in her LP. That's purely ridiculous. Nancy had at least a 6 triple LP while Oksana only had 5 and albeit no true combo.

[caseyedwards]

I had to watch Baiul again because of this thread! It was almost like she began to sing the songs she was skating to the music from! LOL. She seemed totally totally into it! 10000000%.

[Marco]

Kim 2010
Kwan 1998
(Nagasu 2010)
Chen 1998
Lipinski 1998
Ito 1992
(Harding 1992)
Arakawa 2006
Rochette 2010
Asada 2010
(Suguri 2006)
Yamaguchi 1992
Cohen 2006
Hughes 2002
Kwan 2002
(Cohen 2002)
(Sato 1994)
Chen 1994
Slutskaya 2002
Kerrigan 1994
(Butyrskaya 1998)
Baiul 1994
Slutskaya 2006
Kerrigan 1992

[Squibble]

Harding 1992 above Arakawa 2006 and Yamaguchi 1992? Really? Why?

:confused:

[Marco]

Harding 1992 above Arakawa 2006 and Yamaguchi 1992? Really? Why?
:confused:

Just my preference I guess. They were both wonderful skaters. Harding's jumps were much better in quality even though Arakawa's were very good already. Arakawa's spins were much harder but they were also very much alike (relying on the same tricks for all 4 spins). Arakawa's program was more complex but Harding was visibly faster.

Yamaguchi had the hardest jump combo amongst the three but she was also clearly the slowest and showed the worst quality jumps and spins among the three of them. I never got Yamaguchi's so called artistry. She always seemed methodical to me whenever she went dramatic and would much prefer her lyrical numbers like her Blue Danube short.

[briancoogaert]

Just my preference I guess. They were both wonderful skaters. Harding's jumps were much better in quality even though Arakawa's were very good already. Arakawa's spins were much harder but they were also very much alike (relying on the same tricks for all 4 spins). Arakawa's program was more complex but Harding was visibly faster.

Yamaguchi had the hardest jump combo amongst the three but she was also clearly the slowest and showed the worst quality jumps and spins among the three of them. I never got Yamaguchi's so called artistry. She always seemed methodical to me whenever she went dramatic and would much prefer her lyrical numbers like her Blue Danube short.
LOL, did you get the non so-called artistry of Harding ? :P
The thing that surprises me is that Harding didn't have a better technical content than Arakawa or Yamaguchi (spins, jumps and footwork). IMO, her spins were really slow in Albertville, and her landings were tight.
And obviously, her skating is not as fluid and light as Yamaguchi or Arakawa, and is less esthetic.
So, no reason for me to put her ahead of Yamaguchi or Arakawa. :)

[judgejudy27]

Tonya's jumps in her 92 free skate were not great. She landed 5 triples but 2 or 3 of them were two footed.

Triple lutz- great in air but maybe two footed
Triple axel- big splat
Triple toe-double toe: was planned to be triple-triple but landed first jump slow
Triple loop- beautiful
Triple flip- landed forward and two footed
Triple salchow planned- doubled
Triple toe thrown in- two footed

I couldnt imagine this performance meriting placing over Arakawa of 2006 or Yamaguchi of 92 under any line of reasoning. I do think she was robbed though in that she clearly deserved to beat Kerrigan, atleast in the LP. The real best LP of 92 was by Lu Chen anyway though.